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<ukky> Line 32 from Void Linux script has strange parameter expansion form here: https://github.com/void-linux/void-runit/blob/master/functions
<ukky> What "${container+x}" means? Should it be "${container:+x}"?
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<SiFuh> ukky ${parameter:+word} expands word, provided that parameter is defined and non-empty.
<SiFuh> ${parameter+word}
<SiFuh> expands word, provided that parameter is defined.
<ukky> SiFuh: Thanks. I just asked in #voidlinux the same and got https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html with explanation that colon can be omitted.
<SiFuh> ukky: https://www.mkssoftware.com/docs/man1/sh.1.asp it is under here
<SiFuh> Yeah it can be omitted depending on what you want
<ukky> My confusion was missing colon, and not what ':+' parameter expansion does.
<SiFuh> Lots of secrets in shell scripting until we come across them
<ukky> This is second secret for me
<SiFuh> I have written some damned awesome scripts and then 2 years later, I see how shit they were. ;-)
<ukky> Well, we should adjust to changed conditions
<SiFuh> I usually redraft all my old scripts that I usually daily every 6 months. Because I pick up new skills and find more efficient ways to deal with it.
<SiFuh> usually use daily*
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<ukky> I recently dropped using Yoda-style for C. I thought that is cool, not anymore...
<SiFuh> SOunds like speaking languages
<ukky> No, just adjusting to changed conditions
<SiFuh> S = Subject, O = Object, V = Verb. English is an SVO language but Japanese is a SOV language
<SiFuh> Yoda's speaking is like how the Lost Book of Enki is written
<ukky> Is German language also SOV?
<SiFuh> German and Dutch are considered SVO in conventional typology and SOV in generative grammar.
<SiFuh> The language I am currently learning is Vietnamese and it is a SVO language. It is interesting though when you introduction defining words. 'My pen is red' in Vietnamese would be 'Pen of mine is red' and 'Red pen' would be 'Pen red'
<SiFuh> introduction/introduce*
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