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<SiFuh_> farkuhar: The room is 6 and 1/2 thousand kilometers away. The mini PC requires someone to set it up. A laptop doesn't. The package will be in my mothers name.
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<SiFuh_> farkuhar: You remember that I disliked using /boot/efi as a mount point and prefer /boot instead. Today I was making a bootable voidlinux USB that will be able to run X-Plane 11. That fscking void did that /boot/efi and refused to accept boot. Because it was a non-standard the USB will only boot in the machine it was installed on. Because it uses efibootmgr to modify the system UEFI to find it's ridiculous
<SiFuh_> location. I ended up installing SYSLINUX and making it LEGACY/UEFI bootable in the appropriate location.
<SiFuh_> Worse it doesn't even use BOOTX64.EFI it uses some grub thing in a folder located under void_linux or something
<SiFuh_> Maybe void_boot or void_grub. Can't remember. I was horrified and just deleted it and removed grub completely.
<ppetrov^> SiFuh_, did you tell "the clowns" (if I may quote you) in void's irc channel about it?
<SiFuh_> Hahaha!
<SiFuh_> Hell no, I doubt I will be welcome there after I abused them mack in 2017/2018
<SiFuh_> back*
<ppetrov^> why were they clowns again?
<ppetrov^> rude replies?
<ppetrov^> i bet you have it all logged :p
<SiFuh_> Yeah, I have it all logged. There was a guy who washed his keyboard with water and it stopped working. I told him try another and the other keyboard worked fine. Then the so called channel gurus abused me for it for talking bullshit and even though the guys problem was solved (Turns out I was right) they were still trying to give him advice. So I called them a channel full of wankers and left.
<ppetrov^> heh
<ppetrov^> i am curious to try void, however, i am not sure if i have the time
<SiFuh_> It is quite good
<farkuhar> SiFuh_, giving up the cleaner aesthetics of /boot (versus /boot/efi) in order to get portability (beyond the machine it was installed on) seems like a fair bargain, imho.
<SiFuh_> farkuhar: you mean giving up the /boot/efi for the cleaner cleaner aesthetics of /boot .... ?
<SiFuh_> -cleaner
<farkuhar> I recommend dropping the hate for /boot/efi, and accepting the upstream configuration as-is. (That's what we eventually convinced jue to do with shadow, remember?) Otherwise you create more trouble for yourself in the long run.
<SiFuh_> Nah you are wrong
<SiFuh_> I want portability, the mounting of /boot/efi on many distros is crap. Fortunately CRUX has done it better with /boot/efi/efi/boot
<SiFuh_> But the existence of the first efi directory is just stupid
<ppetrov^> :D
<SiFuh_> Thought it was suppose to be simple.
<SiFuh_> That void, getting my head around sub directories and shit was a pain. Actually, I didn't look into it but it appears there is something under /boot/efi on void. But when /boot/efi is mounted that which is under /boot/efi/ disappears
<SiFuh_> Such as copied some stuff there that is only visible when it is not mounted
<SiFuh_> Not a grub guy so I nuked grub
<farkuhar> The void kernel doesn't come with support for overlay filesystems?
<SiFuh_> No idea, didn't use since I called them all a channel full of wankers :-P
<SiFuh_> I was to use alpine. Because I wanted the system to be pretty much invisible. But MUSL and X Plane doesn't work
<SiFuh_> The plan is to insert a bootable USB of X-Plane 11 and you don't see a DE or a GUI except the X-Plane 11
<SiFuh_> Like an arcade machine.
<farkuhar> so you used the void ecosystem to make your bootable USB, but built your own kernel instead of using theirs?
<SiFuh_> Back in 2002 I use to set up machines running loki games but no DE/WM
<SiFuh_> No I am using theirs
<SiFuh_> I just nuked that grub shit and repartitioned so that I can boot off every UEFI machine that supports standard locations
<farkuhar> Then the behaviour you discovered about disappearing entries under /boot/efi suggests that their kernel doesn't have overlayfs support. Weird that they used a non-empty directory as a mount point, then.
<SiFuh_> As I said, I didn't look into it, but it appears so
<SiFuh_> Also, this pipewire seems quite acceptable
<farkuhar> yes, pipewire is very mature these days. Regarding your penchant for shoehorning the upstream layout into directories that look nicer to you, there are some historical precedents: https://lists.crux.nu/pipermail/crux/2006-September/000318.html
<SiFuh_> Shoehorning hahaha
<SiFuh_> Neither of these are relevant.
<SiFuh_> I can't see the screen too well my house is full of smoke. Chinese New fireworks blanket and fill every empty space and crevice possible
<farkuhar> The 2006 March example is more of an aesthetic choice, it doesn't break the functionality of the installed package. The 2006 September example is closer to your experience with an unbootable USB drive, because in that example moving the file (for ostensibly aesthetic reasons) led to runtime breakage.
<SiFuh_> Huh?
<SiFuh_> I saw her whining about a missing licence file
<ppetrov^> heh, citing R...
<SiFuh_> farkuhar: Wrong link?
<SiFuh_> Neither of these are relevant to anything I am discussing
<farkuhar> Mark Rosenstand was complaining about the shadow port moving su from /bin to /usr/bin, which breaks the dchroot utility he was maintaining.
<SiFuh_> I re-read them both
<SiFuh_> Yeah but that is a stupid move to move shadow to /usr/bin
<SiFuh_> /bin and /sbin are for the essential system core
<SiFuh_> May as well move core to /opt instead if that is the case
<SiFuh_> Or even su
<SiFuh_> No worries one day ls will be the only command in /bin and everything else will be in /some/stupid/location/on/a/giant/partition/in/fifty/sub/directories/next/to/my/grandmothers/cooking/recipes/su
<SiFuh_> Probably stored in an old wine bottle, buried under a rock near an Equatorial Guinean's curled dock plant.
<farkuhar> don't worry about where everything is actually installed, as long as /usr/bin is populated with working symlinks. That's the direction Nix wants to take us in, if I'm reading their propaganda correctly.
<SiFuh_> I will be long gone by then
<SiFuh_> Human race is getting a lower IQ over the decades and I can see it with Linux developers
<SiFuh_> They are constantly breaking shit that never needed fixing and they make it worse
<SiFuh_> Would be funny though to travel into the future to find everyone using Gobolinux
<SiFuh_> The development team are a nest of Fraggles :-P
<SiFuh_> Seems none of the guys at Boston Dynamics have seen Terminator
<SiFuh_> farkuhar: When I sent the message above that started with the / key. I had to resend it with a space. IRC replied with this... "command sbin are for the essential system core"
<SiFuh_> Guess IRC is on my side ;-)
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<farkuhar> SiFuh_: I'm not intimately familiar with the irssi interface. Is that a response from the libera server in your screenshot, or from irssi trying to interpret your command?
<farkuhar> Using a space at the beginning does suppress command lookup, though: https://irssi.org/documentation/manual/commands/#commands
<SiFuh_> In IRC commands are sent with a /
<SiFuh_> If i send /sbin then it will consider sbin to be a command
<SiFuh_> Not 100% if the response is from IRSSI or Liberachat. I just thought it to be appropriate :-P
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