#commonlisp on 2024-11-23 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

2022-07-28 16:55 jackdaniel changed the topic of #commonlisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | Wiki: <https://www.cliki.net> | IRC Logs: <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/libera/%23commonlisp> | Cookbook: <https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook> | Pastebin: <https://plaster.tymoon.eu/>

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04:24 <zwr> edgar-rft_: having something to signal what kind of error happened in a file operation instead of just raising a file-error condition would be nice

04:25 <zwr> e.g. if I delete a file I might not care that the file doesn't exist, but I might care about being denied permission

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06:28 <zwr> looking at the R7RS scheme standard, it has the same issue...

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06:56 <zwr> at least Common Lisp has an excuse because it seems nobody cared in the 80s or 90s but R7RS is from 2013, 0 excuse

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09:17 <zwr> I logged into https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/ with my github and I can't open an issue or create a merge request in https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/asdf/asdf how come? I have a small fix to send

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09:17 <ixelp> Explore projects · GitLab

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10:31 <edgar-rft_> zwr: there's a #common-lisp.net channel where you can ask the admins directly

10:39 <McParen> (and they actually do respond there)

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11:26 <McParen> does anyone know how to differently print an object with print and with princ? adding a print-object method seems to change both.

11:27 <McParen> but for example (print #\a) and (princ #\a) have different outputs.

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11:31 <McParen> i.e. how do i only provide a method for princ (pretty printing for people) but leave print unchanged?

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12:03 <McParen> i think i have found out how, by binding *print-escape*, *print-readably*, etc, in the implementation of the print-object method.

12:03 <edgar-rft_> McParen: as far as I know the various print/pric/prin1 etc functions only differ in which *print-...* variable they bind to which value, details see -> https://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_wr_pr.htm

12:03 <edgar-rft_> this means you need to investigate the *print-...* variables inside your print-object method and write code depending on their values

12:03 <ixelp> CLHS: Function WRITE, PRIN1, PRINT, PPRINT...

12:05 <McParen> hi, thanks, that was exactly what i stumbled upon myself.

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12:30 <McParen> edgar-rft_: do you maybe know what the default rinter for clos-object is? the one that prints clos objects as #<foo {123456}>

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12:34 <random-nick> :clhs print-unreadably

12:35 <random-nick> hmm

12:35 <random-nick> https://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_pr_unr.htm#print-unreadable-object

12:35 <ixelp> CLHS: Macro PRINT-UNREADABLE-OBJECT

12:37 <McParen> random-nick: print-unreadable-object is just a macro that wraps any outpu in #< >. what i'm looking for is the default instance printer that exists before a method on print-object is defined.

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12:38 <McParen> i'd like to redefine princ output only, but for everything else, use the standard #<foo [123456]> output.

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12:41 <McParen> oh, i see, this IS the default printer. if the key args :type t and :identity t are used, this is then the default output.

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