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<aadcg> Notice the following:
<aadcg> ,(numberp "")
<ixelp> (numberp "") => NIL
<aadcg> ,(every 'numberp (list ""))
<ixelp> => NIL
<aadcg> ,(every 'numberp "")
<ixelp> (every 'numberp "") => T
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<aadcg> isn't the result value of the last sexp undesirable? I believe it's returning T since the value passed isn't a sequence
<jackdaniel> string is a sequence, in your case it has zero elements
<jackdaniel> is each element in a zero-element sequence a number?
<jackdaniel> well, that's a question whether the cave empty of dragons is the same thing as the cave empty of knights
<jackdaniel> but the answer is not incorrect to say the least
<aadcg> jackdaniel: I see now!
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<phae9> I made a treesitter grammar for commonlisp if anyone needs one :) https://codeberg.org/jrld/new-tree-sitter-cl
<ixelp> jrld/new-tree-sitter-cl - Codeberg.org
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<jackdaniel> you should call it "lispin-monkey", because that's a common lisp sitting on the tree
<jackdaniel> :)
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<phae9> haha
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<beach> phae9: I don't really understand the code, but how do you handle custom reader macros?
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<phae9> i dont because you cant really :), its basically arbitrary syntax
<beach> Oh!
<jackdaniel> if you are willing to load whole software before editing it, then your parser may be the common lisp implementation itself ranging from a subset to a superset of the language itself ,)
<jackdaniel> n.b that's the idea behind language servers
<jackdaniel> having that in mind a tree sitter is known to be very performant and flexible as far as static parsing goes
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<phae9> yeah its mostly for syntax highlighting and tree manipulation
<phae9> i was fed up with the default tree-sitter-commonlisp so I just went and made my own, its generally more accurate WRT symbol parsing and dosent rely on clojures grammar
<beach> So it is as good as, or better than, what Emacs+SLIME can do, yes?
<jackdaniel> I think that technically slime could query the implementation about the indentation and other runtime things (because it is a langauge server)
<phae9> emacs+slime is a different thing altogether, tree-sitter just reads a file and spits out a tree that editors (and other things like diffing algorithms) can use for different purposes
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<beach> I see. So it is not adapted to interactive use like in an editor?
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<beach> phae9: So what do you use it for?
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<phae9> for me personally its mostly for nicer syntax highlighting
<beach> I see.
<phae9> im sure you could hook up other applications to it for other features (difftastic for example) because thats one of treesitters good qualities, its quite composable
<phae9> I know neovim can use treesitter for some other stuff e.g. (tree-sitter-textojects uses the `d-a-f` & `d-i-f` chords for "delete around/inside function")
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<beach> I guess I haven't kept up because of the limited usefulness in the presence of reader macros, so I read up on the Wikipedia article, and apparently, tree-sitter grammars are specifically designed for incremental parsing like in editors.
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<Bubblegumdrop> well, that's a question whether the cave empty of dragons is the same thing as the cave empty of knights <= how poetic
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<phae9> beach: correct, its something editors and other programs are meant to hook into
<beach> Yes, I see.
<phae9> e.g. its designed to gracefully fail, be quite fast etc etc, more technical things that often require actually executing some model of the code are left to the likes of LSP's or something else like slime :)
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<beach> Got it.
<beach> Thanks for the explanation.
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<phae9> np, i might add some reader macros from certain CL implementations (I already have special syntax for sbcl's package::(foo bar baz) syntax), but thats a bit more work and I'd like to get the current stuff working even better before I do that
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<beach> phae9: Are you aware that we have a working incremental parser for Common Lisp that uses Eclector to read the contents of an editor buffer with Common Lisp code? Since it uses the Common Lisp reader, it can handle custom reader macros.
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<beach> It is based on this: https://hal.science/hal-01887230v1/file/5-incremental-parsing.pdf work, but scymtym has since improved it quite a lot so that it handles changed reader states like input base etc.
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<phae9> never heard of it, very cool though
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<jackdaniel> what would be an example of a reader macro that requires special handling by tge parser in the code editor?
<jackdaniel> I know there was an example, I just find it hard to remember it
<jackdaniel> the*
<smlckz-> Is there any code editor out there that does that?
<thuna`> jackdaniel: Special handling how?
<jackdaniel> beach and scymtym work on a common lisp editor. one of its selling points is that it truly understands the code that is parsed
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<jackdaniel> scymtym linked a few nice demos in the past; see discussion from today (immedietely above)
<jackdaniel> also see*
<thuna`> If the special handling is wrt safety, then maybe `#.'?
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<phae9> beach: what editor do you work on? :)
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<smlckz-> jackdaniel: I joined later, so I don't see the discussion and links for that..
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<random-nick> smlckz-: there are public logs for this channel https://irclog.tymoon.eu/libera/%23commonlisp?around=1730828397#1730828397
<random-nick> the editor in question is called second climacs, but afaik it is not in a usable state yet
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<smlckz-> ah
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<phae9> wow, looks very interesting
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