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<holycow>
pururis
<holycow>
argh, sorry about the noise
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<Qwnavery>
rip netsplit
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<mfiano>
Congrats to everyone that participated. This Autumn Lisp Game Jam set a new record for participant and submission counts, 71 and 18 respectively. For the next 2 days voting is open to the public to show your support.
<jackdaniel>
mfiano: you may change some descriptions freenode->libera
<jackdaniel>
(at least one I can spot :)
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<mfiano>
jackdaniel: I can't locate it with C-f
<mfiano>
Are you sure your cache is invalidated?
<jackdaniel>
mfiano: now I see Libera, so it must have been cache indeed
<jackdaniel>
sorry for the noise
<mfiano>
No problem
<mfiano>
Also I should mention that I didn't get to review any yet, but I'm sure I saw at least a few CL entries, so not entirely off-topic :)
<mfiano>
Enjoy, and don't let the boss see you trying them on yet another slow-moving Monday ;)
<flip214>
mfiano: any chance to get the develop branch of Virality Engine into QL? (with all dependencies?)
<mfiano>
flip214: Not a chance any time soon. The other developer needed a long break, probably for the rest of the year, and its dependencies diverged too much to be able to build it. The project is basically on hold and un-usable until we are both back working on it.
<mfiano>
You can stop by #bufferswap and ping psilord to ask when he plans on coming back :)
<flip214>
hmmm, I really would like to try some game environment where I can (defparameter *player* (make-instance ...)) and then play around in the REPL
<flip214>
mfiano: no, I'd rather not be the reason for more stress.
<mfiano>
:)
<mfiano>
I have a few engines that meet that criteria, but I too have been on a gamedev break for a few months, and I have no idea how well they compile right now, and there is zero documentation.
<mfiano>
Your best bet is probably CEPL for that type of exploratory programming though.
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<flip214>
mfiano: thanks, will take a look
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<flip214>
the example I'm looking at uses (v! ...), but that is not defined -- seems that (ql:quickload :cepl) doesn't pull all dependencies??
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<mfiano>
You might want to look at the example system's dependencies
<flip214>
yeah...
<flip214>
hoped for a single-file-load-and-play, but there's quite a lot of dependencies and packages here
<mfiano>
That is expected. game engines are complex pieces of machinery
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<flip214>
well, I literally asked for a (defparameter ...) all-you-can-play library ;[
<flip214>
thanks!
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<mfiano>
That is exactly what CEPL is. Maybe you are just under-estimating the groundwork required for that level of abstraction.
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<greyrat>
Is there a way to get other key arguments and forward them to another function? Sth ala
<beach>
Sure, but you need to put the &rest before &key.
<greyrat>
beach: Do i also need =&allow-other-keys=?
<Bike>
that depends on whether you want to allow other keys
<Colleen>
Bike: drmeister said 8 hours, 5 minutes ago: I got the multiple entry points somewhat working. A "local" and a "xep" function are being generated. I'll need some help tomorrow to set up the argument handling for the lcl function and for the xep function(s).
<Colleen>
Bike: drmeister said 8 hours, 7 minutes ago:
<Bike>
oops
<Bike>
if you do it without allow-other-keys than you can call (repo-new :tags whatever) fine, but other keys will cause an error, same as usual
<beach>
greyrat: Common Lisp allows for multiple occurrences of an argument keyword in a list of arguments, so you just need to put the overriding ones first.
<beach>
greyrat: As Bike says, it is independent of &allow-other-keys.
<Bike>
if you want to include required or optional args you need to specify those as well
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<beach>
greyrat: As Bike says, all your parameters are keyword parameters, but then when you call the function, you pass one first argument that is not a keyword argument.
<beach>
greyrat: The existence of &rest does not change what arguments the function can accept. That's entirely defined by the required parameters, the optional parameters, and the keyword parameters.
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<greyrat>
I am having a weird problem that trying to `(inspect (make-instance 'repo))` is asking me for input 😅
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<Bike>
that's what inspect does. it's interactive.
<Bike>
if you want the non-interactive information dump, use describe.
<beach>
greyrat: Could you please acknowledge that you understood the previous remarks, or that on the contrary, you didn't understand them?
<greyrat>
beach: I kind of understood them.
<greyrat>
Trying to verify, using `inspect` or `describe` or whatever.
<beach>
The function?
<greyrat>
Okay. =(&rest args &key (tags nil) &allow-other-keys)= seems to do what I want, as the first occurence of a keyword arg overrides the later ones. But is there a way to extract the keyword arguments from =args=, such that only unused arguments remain in =args=?
<Bike>
if you do &rest and &key, all of the rest arguments are keyword arguments as well.
<beach>
greyrat: Why do you want to extract them?
<beach>
They are harmless.
<beach>
greyrat: If you want to do that, you need to do it MANUALLY, using REMF for instance.
<greyrat>
beach: Wouldn't that force me to modify the wrapped function, and reduce safety in general?
<beach>
greyrat: No, it's all in the caller, like I said.
<beach>
Notice that I didn't say to modify the caller to use &allow-other-keys.
<jdz>
greyrat: alexandria:remove-from-plist.
<beach>
Er, to modify the callee.
<beach>
I said to modify the callER to pass :ALLOW-OTHER-KEYS T.
<beach>
No change to the callee.
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<mfiano>
allowing other keys can be specified in the call's arguments or callee's lambda list.
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<greyrat>
beach: So it would be =(wrapped-fn ... :ALLOW-OTHER-KEYS t)=, correct? CL has so many features :))
<beach>
Yes.
<greyrat>
Thanks. I'll try these out.
<beach>
Or with APPLY in general.
<mfiano>
Why do you annotate your forms on IRC with #\= ?
<jackdaniel>
unless it is obviously correct, I'd remove unwanted keywords from the property list. you may accidently pass a matching keyword argument to the callee
<beach>
jackdaniel: But doing that would require consing.
<jackdaniel>
delete-from-plist manipulates the original list. that said my point is that if both the caller and the callee accept a keyword :name with a different meaning then you could introduce a bug
<jackdaniel>
because it is a seldom situation I've added "unless it is obviously correct"
<mfiano>
jackdaniel: That is up to the implementation. It may also cons.
<jackdaniel>
as I said, that's beside the point. unlessy ou say that when you consider consing vs introducing a bug it is a dillema
<mfiano>
My correction to your "manipulates the original list" statement, was besides the point to :)
<mfiano>
(the other point, that is)
<mfiano>
s/to/too/
<Alfr>
Not sure remf is a good idea ... What if someone writes (apply 'foo '(42 :bar 21 :baz pi)) ?
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<greyrat>
mfiano: IRC has no native markup, so I use org-mode's =. This way I can easily copy-paste IRC snippets into my org-mode files.
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<greyrat>
Force of habit sometimes makes me use markdown's =`=, too.
<jackdaniel>
Alfr: good point
<jackdaniel>
excerpt from apply: "Because a function can neither detect whether it was called via apply nor whether (if so) the last argument to apply was a constant, conforming programs must neither rely on the list structure of a rest list to be freshly consed, nor modify that list structure. "
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<CodeBitCookie[m]>
Hello Everyone!
<beach>
Hello CodeBitCookie[m].
<CodeBitCookie[m]>
I was working with strings and knew about cl-str. I didn't know there was also a cl-string. Can anyone point out the differences or why aynone would choose one over the other in some cases? Thanks.
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<jcowan>
clhs allow-other-keys
<specbot>
Couldn't find anything for allow-other-keys.
<Josh_2>
Now I had my little bit of fun I might actually use this little combination for generating urls for requests
<Josh_2>
I had a thought the other day, has anyone in here used anonymous classes/methods for anything?
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<Josh_2>
I say I had a thought, the thought was that question xD
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<mfiano>
Sure. Anonymous classes are useful for implementing mixin systems
<mfiano>
I think dynamic-mixins uses this approach. stealth-mixin is a bit different and does not.
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<hayley>
Stealth mixins are all "static", i.e. for some victim class C and some mixin M, all instances of C are instances of M.
<mfiano>
Right
<mfiano>
dynamic mixins is more like "create this anonymous class" and dynamically at runtime add/remove mixins to its superclasses
<mfiano>
"
<mfiano>
ugh i cant balance quotes without emacs
<mfiano>
I personally don't like dynamic-mixins because it assumes a hard-coded precedence ordering of mixins, which means for progn method combination you have to change the specificity for it to make sense (in my uses anyway), and in some cases I wanted a reversed CPL for some instances and not for others. I don't think it should enforce this design choice.
<mfiano>
The commit history shows it was swapped some time ago for "reasons"
<mfiano>
One day I would like to develop a useful (to me) mixin system for CL. There are some problems that have to be solved, such as initarg collisions.
<mfiano>
The obvious choice would be to use non-keyword interned initargs, but presenting this to the user would be "fun".
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