<_death>
it's been fixed.. you may try updating esrap
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<Arcsech>
I ran into that trying to build lem yesterday. I gather it's already been fixed in esrap upstream, but quicklisp gonna quicklisp:
<Arcsech>
> The libraries were last updated on August 7, 2021.
<Arcsech>
Workaround is either get esrap directly (clone the repo or something) or use sbcl 2.1.8 until quicklisp updates
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<icer>
Hello!
<Bike>
hello.
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<icer>
I'm learning to use the CLOS, from PCL and Keene primarily. I have a question about how to initialize the slots inherited from a parent class.
<Xach>
icer: spill it
<icer>
I'm following the structure in Keene's book, defclass x, make-class-x. Is there a way to pass the initial values to the parent instead of initializng them in the make-class-x of the child?
<icer>
Or rather, let the child initialize its slots and the parent initialize the inherited ones. (or method associated with the parent)
<Xach>
Hmm, I don't use that style, I almost always use make-instance directly, which doesn't introduce that kind of issue.
<Xach>
Sorry not to be able to help.
<icer>
So, in your style, would you initialize all the slots in a single call to make-instance?
<Bike>
yeah, not sure i understand the purpose of value-list here
<Xach>
icer: not necessarily. initialize-instance/shared-initialize come into play also.
<icer>
I receive serialized objects with many fields, some share common fields with a common purpose and processing that I wanted to pull into superclasses.
<Bike>
well that's kind of how things work with the usual initargs
<Bike>
like if you have a superclass initialize-instance method that does something with some particular initarg, the child initialization will still call that method (unless it's overridden)
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<icer>
So I need to write a superclass specialization of initialize-instance?
<Bike>
well, depends on what you're doing. your example here is pretty abstract. most programmers never write initialize-instance methods, i bet.
<icer>
As an example, some of my objects are items with positions in displayed list. They have position values. As a collection, the need to be manipulated together, ensuring a list with a valid order and operations preserving it.
<icer>
I thought to pull that slot, position, into a superclass, positionable-object, which would be contained in a positional-collection.
<icer>
There are different places with positonal collections of different types, but they follow the same positional and manipulation rules.
<Bike>
so you have positionable-object and a subclass of it. you do (make-instance subclass :position whatever ...other initargs specific to the subclass...)
<icer>
yes
<Bike>
the definition of the subclass does not need to refer to the position slot at all, or mention it in methods specific to the subclass (unless of course they use the position)
<icer>
correct
<jeosol>
_death: Thanks for the info
<Bike>
so, if you're using make-instance rather than a special make-subclass function, i don't see a problem
<Bike>
with positional arguments to a constructor it's hard to make it work with inheritance, especially given multiple inheritance. keyword arguments keep things apart a little more
<icer>
I can ditch the constructor. I was just trying to follow the Keene textbook lisp way to start with.
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<Bike>
mm. i haven't read keene, and don't really know about its particular choices
<_death>
icer: the advice in Keene is better suited for when you want to hide the fact that you're using CLOS
<Bike>
i might use a positional constructor like that if i'm confident there aren't going to be subclasses
<Bike>
which, yeah, that would be the case if i export the constructor but not the class itself
<icer>
I actually get the arguments in an alist, and some objects have enough fields to make my fingers sore.
<_death>
icer: by "advice" I meant the advice to introduce make-xxx operators rather than use make-instance
<icer>
_death: Thanks! I'll read them. I read the PCL chapters and am halfway through Keene, probably missing the part that explains everything.... :)
<mfiano>
I must say that AMOP has a very good overview of CLOS in its introduction
<mfiano>
One of the best I've seen actually.
<mfiano>
No wait
<mfiano>
Not AMOP. The Paepke book
<_death>
icer: the book Art of the Metaobject Protocol taught me that CLOS is "simple" (in the same sense that git is "simple"), that is, the "core ideas" are simple
<mfiano>
"Object-Oriented Programming: The CLOS Perspective"
<mfiano>
Very good CLOS introduction
<_death>
mfiano: it's available on the page I linked
<mfiano>
Good :)
<moon-child>
'"core ideas" are simple' as is the case for most good models
<icer>
I've been enjoying learning and working with CL so far.
<mfiano>
Good. Just realize that it's an interactive language.
<mfiano>
Throwing that out there to save me a couple days of help. I found out yesterday that someone I was helping for 2 days refuses to use anything but Notepad++ with a full compile/run cycle.
<icer>
I love the REPL. After decades of vi, I'm learning emacs (and SLIME).
<mfiano>
Well most language have a REPL, but they don't have an interactive debugger with restarts, or a metacircular evaluator :)
<icer>
I love that I can hit M-. and dive all the way into the language source.
<mfiano>
:)
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<icer>
Yep. The debugger has been a real help, especially the fancy tools to look through the stack, and to tweak/test on the fly.
<mfiano>
I'm glad you are using the important introspective features.
<_death>
RMS once noted that these languages don't have a REPL, as they lack READ, EVAL, and PRINT..
<mfiano>
:)
<White_Flame>
they surely have PRINT
<White_Flame>
so it's a PL, and every other language is Perl
<White_Flame>
(or prolog, but we're not going to give them that much credit)
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<_death>
I'm guessing that he includes pretty-printing in his definition of PRINT
<mfiano>
I thought I was the only one that spends most of my time outside of X on a text console.
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<asarch>
147266
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<asarch>
Guten Tag, Herr Beach. Wie geht es ihnen? :-)
<beach>
Good morning everyone!
<beach>
asarch: Guten Morgen. Es geht gut, danke. Nur, auf Deutch, ich heisse Herr Ufer.
<asarch>
Yeah! o/
<beach>
We have had a few productive SICL days. Duuqnd and others implemented RANDOM using several algorithms. We can generate "assembly" code for all code loaded during bootstrapping, but we can't "assemble" it quite yet, because some instructions are missing in the assembler, and there are of course defects that need to be fixed.
<beach>
I started work on implementing system calls so that we can read and write stuff.
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<jeosol>
what language is that above?
<jeosol>
Morning beach
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<beach>
German.
<jeosol>
I almost wanted to guess, not certain
<jeosol>
Seeing Deutch as one of the words
<jeosol>
beach: is the random module implemented with Mersenne Twister algorithm, got an update for that one
<beach>
That's one of the algorithms. Duuqnd would know more.
<jeosol>
Cool. Progress is going across several fronts
<beach>
Indeed.
<asarch>
For Common Lisp?
<beach>
I think jeosol meant for SICL.
<jeosol>
Oh, I was referring to beach's project: SICL
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<beach>
minion: Please tell asarch about SICL.
<minion>
asarch: SICL: SICL is a (perhaps futile) attempt to re-implement Common Lisp from scratch, hopefully using improved programming and bootstrapping techniques. See https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL
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<asarch>
Thank you!
<asarch>
What is its status?
<beach>
Most of the code is implemented, but we have a few things left of code generation and bootstrapping.
<asarch>
Can I use it as a replacement of SBCL?
<beach>
Not yet.
<asarch>
Oh
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<char>
scymtym: Can trivial-with-current-source-form be used to better report errors and warning signaled by the compiler?
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<kagevf>
CptKirk: one trick I use when writing something in slime is to leave off the very last closing parenthesis and then I can hit enter and tab to get indentation even in the repl and nothing will get eval'd until the final ) at the end of the expression is restored
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<lisp123>
kagevf: Have you tried using Ctrl-J in slime?
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<kagevf>
lisp123: in the repl?
<lisp123>
Yes
<kagevf>
I've used it a bunch in *.lisp ...
<kagevf>
let me try it ...
<kagevf>
lisp123: ohhh, very cool! didn't know about that :) now I don't need that trick any more!!
<lisp123>
kagevf: :) I had the same issue (and still do sometimes, takes time to build muscle memory) - I have paredit enabled in my REPL too, its quite nice to have it everywhere
<kagevf>
I see ... I've just been using vanilla emacs/slime
<lisp123>
Now I am trying to learn EVIL mode and paredit at the same time, but its not 100% there yet (for me)
<lisp123>
Are you a VIM user before or Emacs first?
<kagevf>
actually vim ... when I first started learning emacs, I tried using spacemacs, but for me the vim keybindings were too slow, so I gave up EVIL and just went with vanilla keybindings
<lisp123>
oo you type fast then ;)
<kagevf>
maybe part that, maybe part slow connection :D
<lisp123>
Ah you are remote-ing into an Emacs session?
<mfiano>
Why C-j when you can instead maintain indentation?
<kagevf>
lisp123: I was at a conference and I had emacs running at home, and I wanted to learn org mode so that's the setup I used
<lisp123>
kagevf: Ah I see
<lisp123>
mfiano: C-j maintains indentation no?
<kagevf>
I think it's cool that no matter where you are in emacs the same keybindings (mostly) work ... can't really say that about the EX part of vim (not sure of the correct name, it's like the vim version of the minibuffer)
<kagevf>
but in vim, q: and q/ are your friend :)
<mfiano>
No, but newline-and-indent does, especially if using aggressive-indent-mode (which you should)
<lisp123>
mfiano: Ah, I must have that turned on by default somewhere (or some package that does)
<kagevf>
when I played with C-j just now indentation seemed to be fine *shrug*
<mfiano>
aggressive-indent-mode will ensure your Lisp code is *always* indented according to SLIME/Sly.
<mfiano>
You'll never have to manually indent
<lisp123>
kagevf: If you are interested, here is my .emacs, I just went through an exercise to comment it out. Still some parts are not perfect, but overall its ok for EVIL / Paredit / Org users
<mfiano>
For me it is electric-newline-and-maybe-indent, which will _only_ indent if electric is _disabled_
<kagevf>
for me C-j is (slime-repl-newline-and-indent)
<mfiano>
Oh I specifically do not use paredit since smartparens and cleverparens maintains structure and has additional structural editing commands
<mfiano>
It is paredit but more featureful and works for other languages too
<lisp123>
Nice
<lisp123>
kagevf: Great link thanks, will bookmark. Was using the SLIME manual until now
<kagevf>
lisp123: your .emacs has lots of interesting looking commands ... will have to through and try each one out ...
<kagevf>
lisp123: yeah, it's very nice what emacs/slime is capable of without even using any plugins
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<kagevf>
at least when working with sexps
<lisp123>
kagevf: The main ones IMO are the keybindings on EVIL to allow one to make the best of both Emacs & EVIL binding (i.e. C-a, C-f, C-b, etc. during INSERT mode) and then some of the org mode settings for automatically inserting Lisp code blocks
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<lisp123>
kagevf: Yes, vanilla Emacs is already very powerful, which is why these third party packages can do so much on top of the default code
<kagevf>
yeah, having emacs keybindings in INSERT mode sounds nice ... I might give something like doom a shot one day, but I'm content ATM hehe
<kagevf>
almost forgot what it's like to not switch in and out of different modes all the time :D
<kagevf>
lisp123: > some of the org mode settings for automatically inserting Lisp code blocks
<kagevf>
alright ... I see them in your .emacs ... let me try them out
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<kagevf>
ok ...those are nice! :) I think the region on especially
<kagevf>
*one
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<lisp123>
kagevf: Welcome :)
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<scymtym>
::notify char trivial-with-current-source-form is for attaching particular source forms to errors that are signaled by macro expanders. i guess this is an improvement over attaching the whole form received by the expander and it is technically affecting conditions signaled by the compiler. i'm not sure whether that is what you were asking, though
<Colleen>
scymtym: Got it. I'll let char know as soon as possible.
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<Shinmera>
etimmons: https://twitter.com/Shinmera/status/1443895133406171140 Here's a bit of a clearer picture from the one posted yesterday. The actual commands to execute the plan (in this case, just printing some stuff) are done on the client, as advertised.
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<pjb>
flip214: when you print a symbol, if it's present in the current package, it won't be qualified.
<jackdaniel>
luis`: it may be a good idea to update the IRC part on the slime website (it still points at freenode)
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<Josh_2>
Good afternoon
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<jcowan>
beach: I am not facile with German, but "Ich heisse Herr Ufer" seems weird to me. Titles are not names, and "My name is Mr. Beach" in English is an explicit claim of superiority, situational or permanent, or else a claim of equality to someone who sees you as their inferior.
<beach>
Thanks.
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<jcowan>
But I may not know what I am talking about.
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<copec>
^A motto I live by
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<jmercouris>
jcowan: doesn't seem weird to me as a German speaker
<jmercouris>
"Ich heisse Herr Strandh" is certainly not claiming superiority, it is simply fact...
<lisp123>
If I'm writing a test-system for an asdf-system, can I load my main system as a dependency (depends-on) for my test system?
<jmercouris>
lisp123: yes
<jmercouris>
that is exactly what we do in Nyxt
<lisp123>
jmercouris: Thanks, I"m getting some errors so must be something else
<jmercouris>
as you see, the test system depends on the 'main' system
<jmercouris>
so indeed, probably something else is going awry :-)
<lisp123>
jmercouris: Thanks :)
<lisp123>
jmercouris: Do you ship a CL Implementation with Nyxt?
<jmercouris>
lisp123: not sure what you are asking, but Nyxt is a SBCL image
<jmercouris>
well, it could be other things of course, but typically CCL
<jmercouris>
and you have full access to it at run time
<jmercouris>
s/CCL/SBCL
<lisp123>
Ah nice, yes that's what I was wondering
<jmercouris>
yeah, so you can do literally anything
<lisp123>
So there's a good chance an IDE can be developed out of it eventually
<jmercouris>
that's correct, and that is in the cards
<lisp123>
although converting some of Emacs features will take time (as the difficulties faced by other IDEs show)
<jmercouris>
yes, but we'll have the advantage of Slime
<jmercouris>
or rather Swank
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<jmercouris>
provides all of the features of a 'lsp'
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<lisp123>
Nice
<jcowan>
jmercouris: Thanks for the heads-up
<jmercouris>
jcowan: so here is the thing though, it does sound a bit odd, typically one would say "ich bin DER HERR xyz"
<jmercouris>
I am "the Mr xyz"
<jmercouris>
jcowan: beach is not a native german speaker, so these kinds of quirks are expected :-)
<jcowan>
(What German I learned came from my mother, who was born in 1919 on the Hesse-Thuringia border, brought up mostly by her grandfather and her aunts, and moved to the U.S. in 1932 for economic reasons. Our family life was in English, but her professional life was mostly in German. As a consequence I have many archaic features, notably pronouncing all /r/ except final -er.)
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<jmercouris>
well actually I take it back, you MIGHT use "der" depending on where in Germany you are, for example in West Germany they will use 'the' before a name, but not in North Eastern Germany...
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<jmercouris>
I see, I am only familiar with modern German from Berlin, as ick bin ein Berliner
<jcowan>
And always in the South/AT/CH
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<jcowan>
My mother spoke only Standard German and not the local dialect at all.
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<jcowan>
Old Berlinerisch shibboleth: "eene jut jebratne Jans ist eene jute Jabe Jottes!"
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<Alfr>
jmercouris, are you sure? You just declared to be jam filled fried dough.
<jmercouris>
Alfr: nein, ick bin keen pfannkuchen
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<Alfr>
jmercouris, admittedly it depends on where you're declaring this. ;)
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<nick3000>
Is CLOCC still alive? I see it mentioned all over but it's not in quicklisp and there are more than a few broken links on webpages referencing it.
<dieggsy>
though i'm not sure what the progress there looks like
<CptKirk16>
I am in #airship and haven't seen any movement
<lisp123>
In Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp by Peter Norvig, there is an implementation of a Scheme interpreter in Chapter 22 Scheme: An Uncommon Lisp. The implementation is tail-recursive and has call/cc. However, it doesn't implement the syntax-rules macro system (which was not required prior to R5RS [1998]).
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<edgar-rft>
the great thing with Scheme is that there are so many mutually-incomatible implementations to choose from
<kagevf>
Rainer Joswig left an answer on stack overflow on how to do the sicp exercises in CL ... so who needs scheme? j/k