<ludston> jmercouris: Should just shuffle the set of fruit, output into a text file. When your program start, load into an array and (aref fruit (mod day (length fruit)))
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<Josh_2> Dumb question time, how do I get the common elements between multiple lists?
<moon-child> INTERSECTION
<Josh_2> ffs ofcourse
<Josh_2> I knew there was a built in function, I blame it on the fact its 2am xD
<moon-child> also UNION for the opposite operation
<pjb> and set-difference
<moon-child> that's \?
<pjb> yes.
<Josh_2> I knew about set-difference, I even checked PCL before coming here
<Josh_2> I should have looked in GICL
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<Josh_2> Good morning beach
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<kakuhen> Reposting a question from #lisp : Is there any advantage to using sb-alien over cffi? I have a macro that only runs on SBCL due to using sb-alien, but I also have a macro with identical function that is portable and uses cffi. Should I keep the sbcl-specific macro and append #+:sbcl or just remove it entirely?
<phoe> cffi stuff should call or expand into sb-alien calls
<kakuhen> right
<kakuhen> cffi is a wrapper around the implementation-specific C ffis, if i understood correctly
<phoe> yes
<kakuhen> so I am wondering if there is any benefit to keeping sb-alien over cffi
<kakuhen> for now I am assuming no
<phoe> perhaps some edge cases that cffi does not support, if there are any
<phoe> but if you were able to rewrite everything in CFFI perhaps you do not have any
<kakuhen> right
<kakuhen> anyway, thanks for the input!
<MichaelRaskin> Hm, it does look that foreign-funcall might do a bit more work in runtime that a direct sb-alien:alien-funcall
<MichaelRaskin> Not too likely to matter in practice, though
<kakuhen> yeah, I think so, too.
<kakuhen> worst case scenario: upstream complains about my patch and I negotiate by keeping the sb-alien macro for sbcl users and others get the cffi version
<MichaelRaskin> Does the function being called do anything meaningful?
<kakuhen> the sbcl-specific macro was taken from a cffi macro and just rewritten to exclusively use sb-alien
<kakuhen> dont know what the intent would be other than to break portability, so I am changing it to the original cffi macro
<kakuhen> it's related to this https://stackoverflow.com/a/10442062
<kakuhen> the software seems to use this macro exactly once for handling sighup signals
<MichaelRaskin> OK, nobody cares about performance of signal handling
<moon-child> more like, the overhead of handling a signal is enough that a little extra dispatch is irrelevant
<MichaelRaskin> Even more specifically, the use case involves a context switch between processes…
<MichaelRaskin> (although initial setup of signal handling takes «only» a kernel context switch… bit it is also done once per application launch anyway)
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<luis> kakuhen: CFFI-SYS is pretty much a wrapper around implementation-specific FFIs, the rest of CFFI builds on top of that. Most work takes place at compile time in any case (unless you define your own types in which case you may have to do some extra work to ensure most work does in fact take place at compile time)
<luis> sb-alien's approach to FFI is interesting and different from CFFI. For example, pointers are typed.
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<kakuhen> right, sb-alien could offer a bit more type safety, from what i've read online, but i didnt know exactly how
<luis> kakuhen: yes, you get an error if you try to pass a pointer to int to a function that's expecting a pointer to double and things like that
<luis> an interesting project would be to implement alien's API on top of CFFI-SYS
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<srji> (plump:text (clss:select "p" (plump:parse (dex:get "https://httpbin.org/html")))) -> There is no applicable method for the generic function
<srji> what do i miss here?
<pjb> A complete read of the error message?
<pjb> What generic function?
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<pjb> srji: so what do you expect plump:text to do?
<pjb> srji: in slime, you can type M-. on plump:text and find a list of methods implemented on it.
<pjb> srji: I would guess that it has methods for strings, but not for plump-dom:element
<srji> i expect to print a string
<pjb> No, that's not how html mark-up works.
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<pjb> so plump:text has a method on plump-dom:nesting-node.
<srji> clss selects the <p> return a plump DOM object and plump:text extracts the text from it
<dsk> srji: CLSS:SELECT returns an *array* of 0 or more matches.
<srji> `#(#<PLUMP-DOM:ELEMENT p {1005593353}>)` how are you able to recognize this as array? because of #()?
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<dsk> Yes. See also (type-of (clss:select "p" (plump:parse (dex:get "https://httpbin.org/html"))))
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<pjb> so, something like (map 'list (function plump:text) (clss:select "p" (plump:parse (dex:get "https://httpbin.org/html"))))
<pjb> srji: ^
<dsk> srji: But you should read the docstrings of interface functions, they (ought to) tell you what to expect.
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<srji> ok ty
<srji> is it possible to open the source of (clss:select using emacs and M-. ?
<srji> do ive to specify at some point the quicklisp folder to find the source?
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<pjb> srji: No, slime tracks everything automatically.
<pjb> Just try M-.
<pjb> srji: and google for common lisp clss manual
<srji> i see
<srji> it opens the buffer *slime-xref*
<srji> but it does not jump to the source
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<srji> ah moment
<pjb> that's because it has a compiler-macro, (generic function are like this too), so it gives you the choice betewen the function and the compiler-macro.
<srji> i can select the func in this buffer
<pjb> for generic functions, it would be betewen the generic function and its methods.
<pjb> yes.
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<pl> srji: this is because sometimes you have multiple implementations, in case of generic-functions
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<srji> ok ty good to know
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<Josh_2> With postmodern whats the best way to store lists? right now I store a list converted to a string and then when I restore the object I have another slot which contains the actual list
<Josh_2> I assume this isn't the most optimal way to do this?
<Josh_2> Would be nice to just store a list straight into postgres, not sure how to do that
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<Josh_2> seems with Mito I can just use the :inflate :deflate keys
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<Josh_2> Think I'm just gonna convert my code over to Mito
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<phoe> lists don't map well to the relational model
<phoe> I guess that's the main issue
<dim> when using Postgres you can use arrays there, but all array elements must be of the same datatype
<rdrg109> [Q] Hello everyone, common lisp beginner here. Is there any way to get a list of all built-in functions? Is there any website, command or way that present that list? I know that "read" is a built-in function, because I can create a file containing a read statement and it will be executed. Sorry for using the term "built-in function" (if that's not the appropiate term), I have just started
<rdrg109> today.
<dim> basically SQL is strongly typed, and relational
<dim> Josh_2: a list in lisp would be a relation (such as a table) in SQL
<Josh_2> maybe I will try using an array
<Josh_2> an array whose elements are all the same type isn't a problem
<dim> rdrg109: that would be the Common Lisp Hyperspec, or the symbols exported by the COMMON-LISP package, I suppose
<dim> Josh_2: also consider making it a relation mylist(listid bigserial, item ...) ; depending on how you want to process the list elements, having them available as rows will change your life in SQL query writting
<rdrg109> dim: Thanks. I'm using GNU CLISP. I suppose, I will find what I'm searching in the official website.
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<Josh_2> dim: not really in the spirit of lisp
<dim> rdrg109: see http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/X_AllSym.htm ; that might not be the best entry point to the standard's Hyperspec, but it seems to match your question well enough
<dim> Josh_2: well you're now using a relational database, so you might as well have a relational model there
<dim> (also I didn't know there was such as thing as the spirit of lisp) ;-)
<Josh_2> Wish my lisp image could just be my database :(
<phoe> grab a lisp object database
<phoe> bknr.datastore for instance
<phoe> using postgres as an object database won't work very well, even with ORMs like mito
<dim> using an ORM will only make it worse, and postgres is a nice object oriented database when you look at it with the right angle, though it's not lisp at all, it's just something else
<dim> I wrote a blog article about postgres being OO at https://tapoueh.org/blog/2018/03/object-relational-database-management-system/ ; it evens mentions Erik Naggum, generic functions and message passing ;-)
<phoe> dim: it takes some time to look at objects from the relational point of view though
<phoe> if one wants to just use it as if they were using Lisp* then a nosql database will be better for that use case
<phoe> *and pay the price
<mfiano> I hope you like JOIN
<dim> I mean SELECT a + b FROM rel WHERE c > now() - 6 * interval '5 mins'; is pretty object oriented, with operator overloading depending on columns data types and all the jazz
<Josh_2> phoe: is there a pdf of the docs anywhere? I cant build it
<dim> mfiano: yeah I do, in list you compose lists, in SQL you compose relations, and JOINs are how you compose relations together to form new ones, I like that
<phoe> Josh_2: (ql:quickload :bknr.datastore) works fine for me
<Josh_2> no no I mean the docs
<dim> phoe: but yeah I see your point, it's not storage for in-memory lisp objects ; postgres solves concurrency, not storage
<dim> (storage is part of the offer, it's the D of ACID, it's not the most interesting part though, as an application developer)
<dim> anyway don't bother me and my Postgres ranting infinite ability, pick a lisp object data store that can serialize what's in-memory to and from disk if that's what you need ;-)
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<Josh_2> this app is about 99% complete, basically just need to add one more column to my database and I'm done. But for the future I reckon I will try bknr.datastore
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<rdrg109> dim: Thanks! I think that is what I was searching for
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