#commonlisp on 2021-06-14 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

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03:05 <beach> Good morning everyone!

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03:38 <beach> I added two more papers to http://metamodular.com/SICL today, namely "Processing List Elements in Reverse Order", and "Resolving Metastability Issues During Bootstrapping". There are a few more to go, which I will work on later in the week.

03:41 <beach> I may also add more substance to the description of some of the papers.

03:49 <moon-child> beach: typos in the 'reverse order' paper: 'cache performance depends on other workload as well'; 'cieling'; 'to trivial for standard text books'

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03:53 <moon-child> also, most of the pdfs are missing dates; it would be nice if those could be included

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03:56 <beach> Thanks.

03:56 <beach> I think some of these papers are preliminary versions. I'll see what I can do.

03:59 <beach> I created this page by popular demand. I strongly suspect the work I put in is not going to be profitable. But you are right, I should fix these issues as much as possible.

04:11 <beach> What PDF has a missing date?

04:12 <moon-child> oh--nevermind, they are there. Just not that prominent so I missed them

04:12 <beach> moon-child: I fixed those typos. It is likely that my coauthor fixed them in the published version.

04:13 <beach> I see. Yes, it's the ACM style.

04:14 <beach> I should put a general disclaimer that the papers may not correspond exactly to the published versions.

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07:50 <Inline> morning

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19:49 <hexology> local-time is great, thanks all for the recommendation

19:49 <hexology> is there an equally agreed-upon library for building unix-style command line applications?

19:51 <hexology> adopt seems familiar coming from languages like python, unix-options looks clever

19:51 <pjb> hexology: there are half a dozen command line argument parsing libraries…

19:51 <pjb> Some with the same name even.

19:51 <hexology> i saw the list on cliki. i should rephrase: "which one do you prefer?"

19:51 <pjb> I use my own. :-)

19:52 <pjb> I started lisping before they wrote those libraries.

19:55 <hexology> do you have a recommendation for a good "default" for new projects?

19:57 <kevingal> This one looks gud: https://github.com/libre-man/unix-opts

19:57 <kevingal> I bookmarked it in case I ever needed a CLI parser, anyway.

19:57 <Xach> hexology: to date i usually roll my own, which i find a little faster than understanding a library one. i mostly just pop things off the command line list and check against known strings like "--help" and such. i know a library can make it easier if you do it a lot or want to be more declarative.

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20:00 <AnimalClatter> hexology: Have you seen this recent discussion? https://www.darkchestnut.com/2021/list-command-line-argument-parsers/

20:01 <hexology> kevingal: thanks, that one looks similar to adopt

20:01 <hexology> i have not AnimalClatter, thank you

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20:07 <hexology> Xach fair enough. command line parsing is the kind of thing that i don't want to have to think about much, for me it's easier to learn a library than to redo it from scratch, because i want my command line tools to be powerful

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20:07 <hexology> i want power! auto-generated --help and --version, "-" meaning "read from stdin", etc.

20:07 <hexology> i'm too slow to do all of that by hand every time

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20:10 <hexology> clon looks interesting... seems like a lot of thought has gone into it

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20:54 <jasom> I've used both adopt and clon. Both are Just Fine, but I found the learning curve to be easier with adopt.

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22:36 <dlowe> I rolled my own for my irc bot https://github.com/dlowe-net/orcabot/blob/master/src/strings.lisp#L145

22:37 <nij-> Hello! Is there a de facto network visualizer (for CL) that supports multi-colors, size-changing of a node based on its index..? Something like this in JS: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/visjs/vis-network/master/common-docs-files/img/network.png

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22:44 <aeth> dlowe: to get rid of that annoying newlisp false positive that's probably 99.999% of all newlisp on github/gitlab you need a .gitattributes file that says:

22:44 <aeth> *.lisp linguist-language=Common-Lisp

22:46 <aeth> otherwise, any file that isn't normal (e.g. no DEFUN) will probably get misidentified and there are 5 of those in that repo

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