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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <nexusguy59> Good Morning Folks! ☕
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gambl0r> Hello 👋
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> morning!
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> hi
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Github> ✅ **Merged** into [armbian/documentation](<https://github.com/armbian/documentation>) by [SuperKali](<https://github.com/SuperKali>) - [Link](<https://github.com/armbian/documentation/commit/10cb2329a733e0f6e1c942239bec1e6d25516125>): *`Automatic` documentation update (#635)*
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> @bret btw saw your tweet you’re looking to build a new NAS/Homeserver, why not use the rock5 itx you already have for that?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Still compiling~
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> as for the docker thing, I have no idea what I did, but I wound up making a second partition on my sdcard to put my docker space on that, and then I had to make it use swap space there too 😬 and now it's finally processing....after I added a bunch of new repositories an such >.> Idek
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> I’m not a sadist 😄 Well, and there are also plans (kind of) for that. I’ll need a few more M.2, 10GbE, and for something that’ll be fair core to operations, I don’t want to be dealing with little quirks and make compromises in some areas just to use an ARM machine
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> meanwhile everybody here:
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Get yourself a a cheap supermicro board and build from there 😛
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> I’ll likely end up putting 8 HDDs in too, so it would just be a bunch of bodging of things, splitting an M.2 connection up and being sad waiting for data to disappear 😅
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> Yeah let’s see, I like the size and look of the jonsbo cases but I read some reviews about airflow and temps being crap
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> That's pretty much what I did for my nas. X10SLH-F and a LSI megaraid flashed to IT mode for 8 drives. Lacks 10G though but you can other boards like X10DRi-T for cheap too which have native 10G
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> latter is slightly bigger though lol
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> I need to keep space and noise in consideration here given the space sadly
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> I’ll keep an eye out 😄I have some 2x10Gb cards I ripped out in a recent DC trip but yeah, I’m kinda screwed in the “you want 4 things, pick 2 and be happy”
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> I am pretty happy with my choice. The only downside is that more modern systems are more energy efficient. However less than 100 watts idle with 8 hdd and 2 ssd isn't that bad either.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Don't even have to touch it since it has IPMI included
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I have an ancient computer I wanna use but I was told not to plug it in ☠️ it's only like an 03, but it has 2 CPUs 🫨
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Decent deal actually. older LSI adapter are also pretty cheap to get. Just need to check if it can be flashed to HBA mode beforehand if one plans to use things like ZFS
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I think that's the kinda CPUs it has
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> But it only has two ram sticks
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Haswell. 4th gen intel core. Kind a old but does the job
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Ram stick thingies
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I had to use a floppy disk to update the bios to use a usb
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> And then I didn't actually install windows 10 cause I had no key 😂
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> I think that is the best E3 1200 v6 series cpu you can get
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> The mother board she's so small
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Yeah. I still consider asking them to just send the board and maybe the PSU and throw the rest in the trash 😄
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> I wonder that this pcie card is
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> maybe a 4x hba for the drive attachment?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> Yeah that’s definitely nice. I was thinking I could get away with a consumer platform as I have a couple of NanoKVM and the JetKVM I could throw on it
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I can't get the page to open on the site I think they deleted it but Google shows it, I think this was it
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> My home server is an ASUS PN50 with a 4700u and 4 drives in a USBC attached DAS 😅
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I hate throwing old stuff 😭 it's gotta be better then my pos laptop
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> That seems really old. Pre-core gen
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> Bit of a meme but none of the data is irreplaceable, and it’s been solid for 3 years now on TrueNAS
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I think it was like a 2002 model, idek, I can't find much information other then a motherboard manual, I need a side panel for the box and good luck
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I'm debating screwing a nice board on to the side~
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> I considered TrueNAS, OMV and Unraid but none satisfied me. Maybe I am just the kind of guy that prefers building from scratch.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I think they're 8 core? Idk
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Ohhhhh two quads made 8
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> I mean processores before the Core i generation from intel started. Like Westmere-EP
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> >.> I honestly don't know 😂 I got a bunch of junk and I hate to toss things
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> 8 have a shoe box of CPUs that I think unfortunately aren't worth much
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> It's all olddddd 😢 but not old old
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> >.> I honestly don't know 😂 I got a bunch of junk and I hate to toss things
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I have a shoe box of CPUs that I think unfortunately aren't worth much
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> My barrier of pain in terms of old HW was Haswell when buying my first supermicro board. Those are not that much of space heaters in comparison to older at least.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Dis was the best worst computer~
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> decent deal but I wouldn’t go with anything pre ddr4 tbh
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Sooooooooo what are the odds of this os actually booting off the SD card if I get the image?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I'm trying to compile it for Anbernics rg353p, with the rk3566, and I'm not seeing to much for success now that I actually look....
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Probably the same as with any random tvbox
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I wound up in this rabbit hole cause it seemed more feasible then using the dead end Archos >.> It couldn't update anything any further so I couldnt compile stuff on it like the new Star Fox port
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I got the dtb, used by anbernic, and used that and made the conf files and everything supposedly is right 😬 I JUST DONT TRUST IT 😂
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> did you extract the dtb from android or linux?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I'm waiting for an error~ xD
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I pulled it from the Linux card that was stock provided by anbernic, so it's the "anbernic" Linux OS....I think
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Then you may have a chance
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> 🎉
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I originally tried to mix like, three dtb files into one, and got that mashed up bad, so I just resorted to that one
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Right now I'm looking at a bunch of hammers 🔨 CC [M] drivers/........
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I don't know if it will have the touchscreen available but I have a DTS node for that I think should work but I didn't fiddle with it I just let it be 😂
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> This thing needs a percentage bar 😭
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> Also needs Jesus
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> I'm sat here flashing about 15 armbian builds onto SD cards wondering how it became that Raspberry Pi actually ended up making one of the best options out there whilst also being damn cheap
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> no, definitely no 😂
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> the RPi Foundation is UK-based and received huge amounts of support + funding from various sources
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <bret> Well, that’s true, though it’s RPi Trading that make and sell the products 😄 They’re a publicly traded company now, the microSD card would feel like a weird thing to subsidise for market share
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> ah, i haven't interacted with them in years, but they've always had the upper hand - Broadcom *helped* with the design
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <Github> ✅ **Merged** into [armbian/build](<https://github.com/armbian/build>) by [amazingfate](<https://github.com/amazingfate>) - [Link](<https://github.com/armbian/build/commit/94949aec8a38ac00e1daa5f5a02c37c4e3745c8f>): *kernel: fix for 6.14 make clean fail at tools dir due to upstream dir change*
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I insist 😭
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I thought I was close, but it was late so I went to bed it's still going 😭 I unpacked Firefox, and I seen like a calculator, an bunch of stuff so I think it's gotta be getting close
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> we'll never agree on an algorithm to determine a percentage, it's not like a download where the final size is *known*, nor is it easily chunkable like that - remember how loading bars used to fly to 80% then sit there for hours? that's how it'd go
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> XD
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> AT LEAST ID HAVE AN IDEA
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Couldn't it autoconfigure dynamically after the scripts started, as part of like a preprocessing step?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> no, because there's no realistic way to gauge how long each section will take
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> 😭
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> WTF
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> I ran out of space and it stopped
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Okieeeeee one computer reset later, I have rebegun u.u
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Grok has actually been very helpful xD
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> How much ram is needed? I had 8 GB swap, and it crashed at the final apt-get update, before the final image assembly step, so I added another 2 but that's all I can squeeze I think 😂 unless I get another SD card and use it with a usb adapter 😂
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> ItS sO cLoSe
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> my build env, in a KVM on RK3588 👀
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> ```apache
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> affinity: 4,5,6,7
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> cores: 4
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> memory: 2560
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> ```
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> That's the model that Grok kept trying to bump me over to, kept mixing up the rk3566 😂 ruined my DTS file
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> Grok regurgitates whatever nonsense it finds on twitter, it is not capable of actual thought, and will deliver incorrect information with complete confidence
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Shhhhhhhhh if you double check, it works eventually 😭
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> The saving grace is it actually uses resources like armbians website properly....most the time
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Without grok I'd have to be content with a end of life OS which isn't fun cause nothing new works
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> it's certainly an improvement over the older models that had a hard limit of 2022, but it's still... not great
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> 😂 I totally get it, I'm not "learning" I'm more just doing, but I kinda am learning 😂
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Grok is weird, sometimes it works great, and then they change something and it's dumb as a rock
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Like a month or two back the cut the output limit for grok 2 and it would just say "your question is as vast as the universe" when I was in the same conversation and project he just went brain dead
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Like a month or two back they cut the output limit for grok 2 and it would just say "your question is as vast as the universe" when I was in the same conversation and project he just went brain dead
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> But that's what I get for using a robot 🤖
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> especially *that* robot
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Google was a lot less helpful xD
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> But like it is neat, it can whip up a python script to do pretty much anything, if you meet the dependencies, I made a script to colour sprites for a GBA project but I got over ambitious and gave up half way xD
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> It turned into a let's convert a image into a PNG sprite and make the colour overlays for them, and at the time grok2 was having issues 😂 so that didn't finish
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> My computer can only do one thing at a time 😭
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> It did it 🫢
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Now I need to find an SD card
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> if someone got noticed about @alisa_adam , maybe it's a scam.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> If someone wants proofs, send me DM
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> please clarify
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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> @alisa_adam is sending DM to people selling services like art, but (for me) it's a scam
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> I will post proofs on #ID:854735915787878463
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <goose_10101> Like Sale rep?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> When it comes to art stick to buying high quality Japanese animation BD's , that's at least real art and worse every cent
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <lex05> Here's