cr1901 changed the topic of ##yamahasynths to: Channel dedicated to questions and discussion of Yamaha FM Synthesizer internals and corresponding REing. Discussion of synthesis methods similar to the Yamaha line of chips, Sound Blasters + clones, PCM chips like RF5C68, and CD theory of operation are also on-topic. Channel logs: https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/~h~yamahasynths
<NiGHTS>
Pietro Gagliardi sur Twitter : "frustrated by how hard it is to look up a mid-80s IBM clone from major manufacturers like HP, Leading Edge, or Packard Bell and no one has uploaded the manuals or even just stated whether standard keyboards or PS/2 adapters will work with them and if they have ISA slots"
<NiGHTS>
Pietro Gagliardi sur Twitter : "on amazon you can buy a 100ft (30.5m) VGA cable from startech and even with startech's quality I have to wonder just what kind of insane signal degradation happens at that length"
<cr1901>
The hard drive text files came from WD's and Seagate's FTP servers back in the day
<cr1901>
(Seagate's FTP links were still valid until sometime in the past few years)
<andlabs>
but yeah my problem is that I can't figure out if buying these cheap XT clones that do get listed is worth it or not
<andlabs>
if I can't expand it and need a specific model of keyboard to use it then
<cr1901>
The only clone that I can think of offhand that used a special keyboard was the Compaq Portable, which is an awful machine to maintain and I don't recommend purchasing one
<andlabs>
so I've heard
<andlabs>
how is it always that one tantalum that fails
<cr1901>
And the keyboard was special b/c it used 12V and a non-DIN connector; it speaks the XT protocol
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<NiGHTS>
Pietro Gagliardi sur Twitter : "some online ask what's the backward RU logo on PC parts (UL Registered Components mark) no one asks why is it backward? why does it look like that? was it meant to Verify with a mirror? or is it *not* backward + our brains are fooling us? (+ if so do *we* fail UL certification?)"
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<cr1901>
CatButts: Forking this is not a good look. It's clear now that you thought CookieEngineer was making up harassment rather than taking a neutral position. https://github.com/pachuco/sneedacity
<CatButts>
yes, I believe he's making up harrassment
<CatButts>
no, I don't care how I look
<CatButts>
I wanted to do something winxp related to the fork
<CatButts>
but lost interest
<cr1901>
Yea, that doesn't fly here. I think you should leave. It's a shame, because your technical work is great, but technical work doesn't exist in a vaccuum
<CatButts>
for what reason should I leave?
<CatButts>
I am not leaving until I meet my goals with the ESSFM shenanigans
<CatButts>
whenever that is
<CatButts>
I ask you again, why do you want me to leave?
<alexisvl>
lol, imagine being on the internet and not finding that harassment credible. I guess it's hard to see what's in front of your face when your head is up your ass
<cr1901>
You were involved with the sneedacity fork in any capacity, and think he's making up harassment.
<CatButts>
and that is relevant how to FM synthesis?
<cr1901>
>technical work doesn't exist in a vaccuum
<cr1901>
Put another way
<cr1901>
I don't believe for a femtosecond that politics and technical work can be decoupled, so I don't even try
<CatButts>
I believe otherwise
<cr1901>
and I don't believe that anyone can put up that facade 100% of the time
<alexisvl>
...also, who should be in a place is always relevant to that place
<alexisvl>
where the fuck else does it belong
<cr1901>
and if I don't curate this channel, it'll be overrun with channers
<cr1901>
Already lost at least two ppl I WANTED to keep in this room who don't agree w/ how I mod, ahhh well
<alexisvl>
luckily, creating IRC channels is free
<cr1901>
(... ... ... how the fuck do I ops again?)
<CatButts>
huh, you gonna ban me away?
<CatButts>
for difference in politics no less
<cr1901>
Yea, I've never heard that one before when I ban ppl
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<alexisvl>
channers should be about as welcome in polite society as particularly noxious farts, and yes, that's politics
<CatButts>
shameful
<cr1901>
There will be other ppl who can contribute technically without the political baggage
<CatButts>
I'll stay put here for my ESS stuff
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<balrog>
looks like that fork is dead anyway
<balrog>
surprise surprise :|
<cr1901>
which one, the sneedacity or the tenacity one?
<balrog>
the former
<balrog>
the Tenacity fork has much more activity it seems
<tunixman>
Woah did the channer get banned?
<tunixman>
good.
<cr1901>
yes, I prob should've done this when I noticed he forked the RMS letter, and then forgot
<tunixman>
I had it blocked from that one time...
<balrog>
cr1901: ugh he forked that one too? /sigh
<tunixman>
what?
<tunixman>
what‽
<cr1901>
There's an RMS support letter that ppl were signing saying
<cr1901>
basically "fuck women, RMS' technical contributions take priority"
<tunixman>
‽
<tunixman>
oh god.
<tunixman>
of course there was.
<tunixman>
cr1901: thanks for taking a stand. I definitely appreciate it for what that's worth.
* alexisvl
needs to find more IRC channels willing to take out the trash...
<alexisvl>
my channel list is getting small
<tunixman>
yeah, same here... I left most of them a few weeks ago after getting chastised for pointing out that homophobia and misogyny might be off topic...
<tunixman>
"Nah nothing's off topic here."
* tunixman
continues ranting
* tunixman
to himself alone with coffee
<qu1j0t3>
tunixman: glad to say that 's none that you and I are both in, amigo
<cr1901>
tunixman: Appreciated. But I should've done this from the beginning I think. I knew about the RMS support letter and said something like "it's shit, but I can't ban for just forking that". Probably should've went w/ my gut
<cr1901>
I don't like modding
<tunixman>
hoy me chaneles es su chaneles qu1j0t3
<qu1j0t3>
sí claro
<alexisvl>
I despise modding. This is like...the first time I've seen an op action -not- blow up into a big argument
<qu1j0t3>
mostly because Han shot first :)
<tunixman>
cr1901: honestly no one wants to be the adult in the room but if no one is, well... you'le left with another chan
* cr1901
invokes Godwin's Law
<cr1901>
There's that tweet about how the bartender kicks out Nazis immediately
<cr1901>
b/c if you don't, they multiply, and you have a bar full of Nazis
<alexisvl>
I need to bookmark that.
<tunixman>
Godwin's Law is by someone who would have watched until they came for him.
<tunixman>
cr1901: yeah that's a great tweet.
<tunixman>
the original author should make it into an NFT and be the first person to profit ethically from Nazis.
<alexisvl>
nopetopus.gif
<qu1j0t3>
lol
<balrog>
cr1901: I'd probably have asked "hey, why did you fork that repo?"
<qu1j0t3>
balrog: ++
<sauce>
the rms thing is pretty complicated and i think the above view on it is a bit reductive
<balrog>
sauce: then don't sign any letter
<sauce>
ya
<balrog>
the people pushing the pro-RMS letter were... pretty obviously known to be bad actors :(
<balrog>
I'm sure that there were some amount of people who were not familiar with the overall situation and didn't know better, but I suspect that was a small minority of the signatories
<balrog>
I say this as someone who's followed the people pushing that letter in their IRC channels and whatnot, hah
<cr1901>
sauce: I'm not being charitable today :P
<tunixman>
It turns out getting a context-free quote from someone is super easy.
<alexisvl>
...if you're not familiar with the situation maybe don't sign letters about it?
<alexisvl>
I think it's a very easy choice to remove people who sign their names to bad things whether they were fully informed or not
<tunixman>
(as we all found out back in the Feminist Software Foundation days)
<balrog>
alexisvl: I agree. I personally would confront them first and ask "why did you sign this letter" but... that's extra work anyway :)
<balrog>
(I did notice that a handful of people "un" signed both letters over time)
<balrog>
tunixman: hah...
<cr1901>
tunixman: Remember C-plus-equality? ._.
* alexisvl
raises eyebrow
<cr1901>
alexisvl: Yea, it's bad... it was a spec for a programming language with the gamut of social justice "jokes", like "all operators have equal precedence because we should all have equal privelege", and other gross misrepresentations of SJ jargon
<tpw_rules>
i do remember that...
<alexisvl>
ugh lol
<balrog>
-.-
<qu1j0t3>
yikes
<tunixman>
cr1901: yeah, that was them. I was birddogged by them for months after.
<cr1901>
Hopefully things will calm down soon and I can go back to passively watching the channel and discussing some random tech crap that's inevitably _not_ about synths lmao
<cr1901>
For those following along later: Modding never feels good. I wish I didn't have to do it at all. I do NOT take pleasure in banning ppl, and the last time I had to do it, one recurring theme besides "thank you" was "I'm trigger happy". >>
<cr1901>
Well, it's going to hurt either way, so might as well get the pain out of the way early before it becomes a huge problem
<tunixman>
cr1901 you're definitely not trigger happy.
<tunixman>
I might have been back in the day, but at the same time accidentally getting rid of too many bad dudes isn't a bad thing.
<tunixman>
and then the whole C+= thing was sort of the GG staging run.
<tunixman>
wow anyway I'm going to decompress for a bit I'd managed to forget all that hahaha
<cr1901>
Yea, now is a good time for decompression. Hopefully this will all blow over. I think I'm done doing responsibilities for the day
<alexisvl>
seems like it's been pretty calm here most of the time since I joined, tbh
<alexisvl>
couple people got pissy a couple times
<cr1901>
My own observation is that the libera migration put ppl on edge. Never really had problems before that.
<cr1901>
But also, back on Fleenode, the channel wasn't on public lists and it took a while before the IRC logger became high-ranked results on Google
<balrog>
I think the Libera migration attracted a lot of trolls in general
<balrog>
Especially in the early days before Andrew Lee destroyed services
<cr1901>
The Freenode rap is still seared into my skull
<tunixman>
oh wow now it's the "freenode autonomous zone of HIH"
<balrog>
what is going on?
<balrog>
I saw that netsplit.de count recently fell to zero
<cr1901>
Well that completely drained me of... whatever I was doing. I forgot ._.
<alexisvl>
you were about to log off for the weekend and have a beer
<cr1901>
I like tea more than beer, so s/beer/tea/. But I appreciate the sentiment and may do just that :D. Catch up on some YT vids on my watch later list
<alexisvl>
there you go
<Lord_Nightmare>
ESS stuff... the thing from vogons with ESS's clone of yamaha synthesis?
<Lord_Nightmare>
if someone around has an audiodrive card of the correct type, that could be RE'd
<Lord_Nightmare>
another option is to just ask ESS for docs
<Lord_Nightmare>
its not like the company doens't exist anymore
<Lord_Nightmare>
and the fm patent is long expired