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<ValleyBell>
ESSFM reverse engineering? niiiiice
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<andlabs>
the fucking audacity fork people do not know how to handle 4chan
<andlabs>
I can't in good conscience support them because they're making the classic mistakes
<andlabs>
but at the same time, if we stand by, they will take another life
<NiGHTS>
Just a quick question about censorship and freedom · Issue #93 · tenacityteam/tenacity · GitHub
<andlabs>
so 4chan started their own fork for some reason and are trying to get this one taken down
<andlabs>
going as far as to get someone to stab the originator of this fork in the arm with a 'butterfly knife' which I assume is a German phrase that did not translate correctly to english
<andlabs>
I imagine emabrey who seems to be the most active maintainer other than the originator is under a lot of stress right now having to deal with the fallout; they had to lock their twitter account
<andlabs>
but I'm sorry, she's making too many mistakes
<andlabs>
keeping obvious misinformation/disinformation troll posts up
<andlabs>
responding to distracting commentary like correcting grammar
<andlabs>
and originator is also making a mistake by not using archive.is links
<andlabs>
let's be clear
<andlabs>
there is no free speech issue here
<andlabs>
no one is being censored
<andlabs>
no one is calling anyone a 'dictator'
<andlabs>
and if the original guy is doing that then sorry you don't get to worship the ground RMS walks on and then complain about that
<andlabs>
the issue is that someone was assaulted
<andlabs>
the only appropriate response is to clamp down
<andlabs>
byuu killed thsmelves less than two weeks ago
<andlabs>
we are already failing his memory
<andlabs>
their memory
<andlabs>
whatever
<andlabs>
it's clear they want to run their super special diaper wearing version of audacity like a fucking andrew lee sandcaslte
<andlabs>
that era of open soruce must end now, or we should just stop bothering existing ins oftware and let it get overrun like the bad old 90s
<andlabs>
and it will only end if we all stand up and demonstrate basic competencies
<andlabs>
lessons learned from gamergate and the rise of the alt right
<CatButts>
what about the alt left?
<andlabs>
lol kellyanne conway jokes
<andlabs>
(unless you are being serious, in which case sorry this is not going to be a very friendly channel to you)
* CatButts
rolls on his unfriendly-friendly butt
<CatButts>
anyway, what are /g/'s gripe against tenacity and its maintainer?
<CatButts>
besides "it's not ours"
<CatButts>
lettuce put reading glasses on and see
<andlabs>
from what I can gather yes it's literally just "it's not ours" but I'm not daring to look at the threads so
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<CatButts>
I am daring
<CatButts>
initial impresion is that tenacity team had a name poll, and people of /g/ decided to create Sneedacity when they couldn't get their way
<CatButts>
on youtube:
<CatButts>
> The Audacium fork is the way to go. I can't trust the Tenacity maintainers due to their inconsistencies and removal of any criticism, and Sneedacity seems like a temporary meme fork.
<CatButts>
> We'll see. So far, Sneedacity is the only one with experienced devs and that is actually active.
<CatButts>
The real test is time, anyway, but so far Audacium is a graveyard.
<CatButts>
ok, here's the thing with 4chin trolls
<CatButts>
if you show them thin skin, they will poke and laugh at you
<CatButts>
if you agravate it, you become "lolcow"
<CatButts>
to be milked for amusement
<CatButts>
CookieMonster probably did those things
<CatButts>
and it all went downhill from there
<andlabs>
unfortunately the solution to the far right is to be aggressively beaten down
<andlabs>
I say unfrotunately because we seem to be unwilling to do that
<andlabs>
maybe the German police, knowing what happened the last time they didn't, will do it
<CatButts>
it could be that some tards actually went to CookieMonster's house, or it could be that CookieMonster's painting himself a victim, when faced with drama
<andlabs>
so what seems to happen is they fumbled some project management stuff early on and now the channers are latching onto that to
<andlabs>
am I gonna say it
<andlabs>
yes
<andlabs>
poison the well
<andlabs>
again, the ethics in gaming journalism tactic -- hide your real intentions behind something unrelated that is also going on
<andlabs>
also the audacium people seem to be ignoring the red flags in what little discussion there is too, but so far no one has been fog-horn, mostly dog-whistle
<andlabs>
"lol you don't want to expose yourself to more phone calls you must be lying"
<andlabs>
also "lol you don't want to ruin a police investigation you must be lying"
<andlabs>
anyway I have nothing else to say here on the subject at this moment
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<CatButts>
yeah, I'm gonna side against CookieMonster on this matter
<CatButts>
purely because it smells like self-victimization
<CatButts>
more exactly, making things up to look like victim
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<cr1901>
you acknowledge that 4ch harrases ppl who react a certain way at 4:19AM, and then conclude that CookieMonster was making up the said harrassment to be a victim at 6:02AM. Which one is it? The HN subthread smells like gaslighting
<cr1901>
>(3:56:59 AM) andlabs: (unless you are being serious, in which case sorry this is not going to be a very friendly channel to you)
<cr1901>
Well, time to piss off ppl in the channel again. Going to second this, reading the scrollback from when I was asleep.
<CatButts>
I am leaning towards 4chin poking and laughing at CookieMonster, then CM proceding to have meltdown and make potentially false claims of harassment
<CatButts>
the two probably interleaved
<CatButts>
poking and laughing because of over-reaction
<CatButts>
over-reaction because of poking and laughing
<CatButts>
in downward spiral
<CatButts>
poking and laughing -> trolling
<CatButts>
now remains to be seen if butterfly knife injury accusation is real
<CatButts>
and if they indeed are, then I have no sympathy for CM
<CatButts>
so far, I am leaning towards them being fake
<CatButts>
hope this clarifies, cr1901
<cr1901>
In this climate where trolls are emboldened, I'm choosing to believe CM
<CatButts>
then I shall keep an eye on this case, and see what the outcome is
<CatButts>
to put it short, it's no doubt he's being trolled
<CatButts>
but it's akin to poking a wasp nest, then complaining about it
<cr1901>
Pragmatically: If CM is lying, it'll likely come to light soon other than vague "you didn't have a perfect memory/weren't a perfect victim (Pinephone breaking)" accusations. And then the Internet hate machine will be sicc'ed on them in full force. Not in best interest to lie.
<CatButts>
with the gravity of situation possibly inflated
<cr1901>
So, that's also a reason I believe CM
<cr1901>
b/c consequences for telling the truth aren't great (current situation without it getting worse), consequences for lying will be worse
<CatButts>
if he's right on the things he said(butterfly knife attack, stalking, phone threats), then people responsible should be prosecuted
<CatButts>
if he's lying, CM ought to have a broomhandle shoved up his arse
<cr1901>
(That seems like a rather cruel and unusual punishment ._.)
<CatButts>
yeah sorry, I felt urge to reference Duke Nukem
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<tunixman>
cr1901 is right, this is textbook 4chan harassment, and the suggestion that there's anything to "prove" or whatever bullshit is basically just more of the 4chan tactics.
<CatButts>
I am still not buying CookieMonster's claims
<CatButts>
I require convincing
<tunixman>
It's not about you.
<tunixman>
But it's interesting you've made it about you.
<tunixman>
Anyway, I've said my piece.
<CatButts>
what has been made about me?
<CatButts>
I'm guessing that last bit "I require convincing"
<furan>
GitHub CoPilot is an incredibly weird thing to experience
<furan>
I opened a graphics library I wrote that has a driver for an FPGA core I made
<furan>
and this library is all C code
<furan>
and I started a new function and it autofilled so much correctly, but then it started making stuff up
<furan>
like I wrote HWAlphaBlend()
<furan>
and it filled in all of these registers correctly
<furan>
but then it started making some up, and making up structure members, which is okay, but the inventiveness was incorrect
<furan>
like it decided that the "alphainfo" structure had a width, and an eight (instead of height), but then programmed a non-existent register for width and then height (not spelled without the h)
<furan>
so it actually mistyped height somehow
<furan>
for a structure data member that was unnecessary
<qu1j0t3>
as long as you're 3% more productive
<furan>
but then I wrote another routine to just flush the batch of work, and it filled out the whole body correctly
<tunixman>
The funny thing is that's also how I do a lot of device driver code. I start off fine and then throw up my hands and start making things up.
<furan>
yeah I was telling a friend who asked me to describe copilot and I explained that it's sort of like me but it costs less
<KitsuWhooa>
I'm still not happy that it was possibly trained on my code
<KitsuWhooa>
if it was open source, maybe then I wouldn't mind
<tunixman>
Haven't you heard? Anything on the internet is public domain.
* tunixman
chortles
<KitsuWhooa>
ha ha :p
<furan>
I think they only trained on code that allowed for it in the license
<furan>
what I wasn't expecting is that it would digest my own private code so quickly and easily
<furan>
and come up with maybe useful suggestions (not sure yet)
<KitsuWhooa>
is it "private"?
<tunixman>
I need to give it a try for a "work" project.
<furan>
yes
<furan>
as in not on github
<KitsuWhooa>
sorry, I meant as in, does it only help you on your own projects, or is that private code going to help others too :p
<furan>
it's private as in eat me
* tunixman
chomp chomp
<furan>
I'm not really one for moral arguments over "people should be able to learn from your code" - if I make something public and people choose to look at it, fine, but there should be no moral imperative to do one thing or the other
<furan>
hell, maybe you'll read my code and learn the wrong way to do something. I think the amount of people who choose, on their own, to release something - that's great
<tunixman>
I do feel like it would be better for them to have asked before just assuming it's totally fine. Of course that would make it super impractical for them to profit from being entrusted with people's work.
<tunixman>
This kind of novel use is definitely not something a lot of people would have thought about when choosing a license, if they even did.
<furan>
yeah I don't really know how to feel about it yet
<tunixman>
oh yeah, that's the beauty of novel uses hahaha
<furan>
I am worried that it will have learned from bugs to write more bugs
<furan>
but I like GPT-3 a lot and I think it's neat to play with, it's definitely better than tomatosoft visual assist or visual studio intellisense, it's a step up from that
<furan>
I wonder if I can get it to autocomplete a story about aliens in a comment block
<furan>
aha
<furan>
it won't really elaborate in comment blocks
<tunixman>
it's aliens and bugs all the way down...
<andlabs>
so copilot isn't just stealing code, it's stealing code *badly*
<andlabs>
even better
<tunixman>
hahahaah well, to be fair that's how tech companies function best. exploit the worst resources you can find until you have to find worse resources.
<andlabs>
:V
<furan>
is it
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<Lord_Nightmare>
Not sure if you guys heard about what happened to cookiengineer from that audacity fork
<Lord_Nightmare>
he put a meme name in the name voting thread, 4chan jumped on it and upvoted it
<Lord_Nightmare>
he then deleted the thread and started it over without that name
<Lord_Nightmare>
4chan went crazy, created their own hate fork
<Lord_Nightmare>
doxxed him
<Lord_Nightmare>
attacked him on phone and social media and github issues
<Lord_Nightmare>
and then people started knocking on his windows
<Lord_Nightmare>
and finally sometime earlier today someone slashed him with a butterfly knife
<Lord_Nightmare>
cookiengineer left the fork after that due to everything. and the new owners of the fork (called 'tenacity') decided that github wasn't open source enough for them and moved it to sourcehut
<Lord_Nightmare>
so that project is likely very dead now
<Lord_Nightmare>
thanks to 4chan
<Lord_Nightmare>
ah, i see the stuff was discussed earlier
<Lord_Nightmare>
the butterfly knife thing i'm still not sure about. we'll have to see if it gets officially reported
<Lord_Nightmare>
gizmodo might be interviewing him