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<alb3rt0>
Hello everyone
<alb3rt0>
question guys, to discuss about meta-openembedded layer is ok the usage of that mailing list? openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org
<alb3rt0>
nevermind I found the container thanks
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<sunkist>
I used yocto for work and enjoyed it after the learning curve. Now I'd like to build packages at home for my ubuntu machine. I could use a bash script to fetch/unpack/configure/make. Or I could drive that process with a makefile (don't fetch if the tarball already exists) but at this stage I feel like I'm reimplementing bitbake, just poorly.
<sunkist>
So I started using bitbake again, initially with just the os-core layer (to provide the autotools class.) This let me fetch/compile/package a simple C program with no dependencies.
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<sunkist>
s/os-core/oe-core
<sunkist>
Then I tried to build a program with a couple dependencies, normally satisfied by installing a "lib***-dev" package on the host system. Of course when `oe-runmake' bitbake complains about the '-I/usr/include' flag, saying it's bad for reproducibility. Ultimately, the binaries I'm building are being built for the qemux86_64 machine and not the local debian machine I'd actually like to target.
<sunkist>
I can probably define all my recipes to be '-native' but I wonder if I'll be fighting another QA battle trying to get bitbake to package up a -native output into a package meant for the target.
<sunkist>
I really like bitbake. I really like the simplicity of defining a SRC_URI and haveing things mostly just work from there. But I don't particularly need bitbake to build its own compiler and cstdlib. I'm happy to use the compiler and stdlib on the base system.
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<rburton>
sunkist: sounds like you're using a hammer when you need a screwdriver. yocto is for cross-building entire platforms that it controls. if you want to build a binary for ubuntu then just use ubuntu's package management/building stuff.
<rburton>
or if you really want to use bitbake, don't use oe-core: it's designed explicitly to cross compile. you don't want that.
<rburton>
you might also want to look at something like homebrew
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<sunkist>
rburton: I had considered dropping oe-core and reimplementing a crude "autotools" base class for native compilation. Bitbake brings "fetching/unpacking" functionality, so I could implement my own "autotools" base calss, or even just manually define the "do_build" steps, right?
<rburton>
right
<rburton>
if you want to explicltly do native compilation you do _not_ want oe-core
<rburton>
you are at this point just reimplementing homebrew, so then your decision is "am i doing this for fun" or "do i want something that just works"
<sunkist>
re: homebrew, I have also been looking at nixos. It's both declarative and reproducible
<rburton>
nixos is very much the new cool
<rburton>
i believe it builds its own system entirely though, instead of just layering on top of your host
<rburton>
so you're back to answering "what do i actually want to do" questions
<sunkist>
Today, I already have makefiles that drive a process of curl -> sha256sum -> tar -xvf -> configure -> make -> dpkg-deb build
<rburton>
personally i'd be just using homebrew for that, thousands of packages already done for you. there's a lot of edge cases in building software.
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<khem>
RP: https://web.git.yoctoproject.org/poky-contrib/log/?h=kraj/clang-merge-2 seems to be start looking good and promising for getting meta-clang sorted ( changes for meta-clang are in yoe/mut branch ) and mesa is working ok too
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