<azonenberg>
Also, more probe progress: got price information back from the vendor I'm using for prototypes of the lossy coax cable for the AKL-PR1, the solder in R-C divider probe
<azonenberg>
going to be ordering a bunch of prototype cables with SMPMs at one end to connect to a probe head much like I have for the PT5, then BNC at the other end
<azonenberg>
it's a single stage compensation network with a 5.5 - 30 pF capacitor in series with 68 ohms to ground
<azonenberg>
But i expect to go through several iterations of that design. the box has a ton of room for more complex networks, this is just a prototype
<azonenberg>
PCB and components for compensation box are ordered, probe head design is still in progress but shouldn't take too long
<azonenberg>
At which point the big question is just how fast we can get the special lossy coax once the order is submitted
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<Degi>
What is the lossy coax for?
<azonenberg>
Degi: building a 10:1 probe for 1meg high-z inputs, like a standard passive scope probe
<azonenberg>
you need high ESR coax to reduce reflections because the cable is not impedance matched to 1M ohms
<azonenberg>
so you get a reflection off the scope input
<azonenberg>
the lossy cable helps damp that out
<azonenberg>
it doesnt disappear entirely, it's an unavoidable issue w/ 1M ohm probes afaik
<Degi>
Ah, do they make special lossy cables for that
<azonenberg>
Yes. but they're extremely hard to obtain
<azonenberg>
because there is essentially no use for one other than building a 1M ohm probe
<azonenberg>
and all the OEMs make their own cable for the most aprt
<azonenberg>
part*
<Degi>
Yeah lol
<Degi>
Or maybe as a wideband load
<azonenberg>
I managed to find a vendor willing to play ball
<Degi>
How does it work? High dissipation dielectric? Thin center conductor?
<azonenberg>
they ideally want large volume (qty 1k or so) orders but are willing to give me a handful as engineering samples for R&D
<azonenberg>
So we're getting that order in progress now
<azonenberg>
the prototype cables are SMPM at the probe head end and BNC at the scope end, but have no compensation box
<azonenberg>
then that Crystek housing i linked is a BNC male-to-female insertable filter chassis
<azonenberg>
which will contain my own compensation circuit
<azonenberg>
the probe head will essentially be an AKL-PT5 with the 350 ohm body resistor swapped out for a 9M and a capacitor in parallel
<azonenberg>
i haven't done the board design for it yet but it should be straightforward
<azonenberg>
as far as how it works, generally speaking the inner conductor is very thin (like 39 AWG or something) nichrome
<azonenberg>
and usually crinkled slightly to increase the resistivity per unit length of cable
<azonenberg>
the dielectric is a foamed polymer that has a very low dielectric constant
<azonenberg>
i don't think there is much in the way of dielectric loss, the idea is to be flat across a wide band so you want the loss as resistive as possible
<GenTooMan>
I should update scopehal ... hmm it's been quite a while :P
<azonenberg>
Lol. yeah i've been doing a lot of work on it lately