23:07 <vision2profits> hi

23:07 <ocdtrekkie> hey how's it going?

23:08 <vision2profits> Not being a coder in the IT field, how might I contribute to the project?

23:08 <vision2profits> it's going well and I'm enjpoying using Sandstorm

23:10 <vision2profits> I posted in the Google group dev channel but no response which ok, I just assumed it to be the wrong place to post

23:10 <ocdtrekkie> For one, we do have an OpenCollective which funds some contract work and will fund more stuff in the future. As far as work contributions, there are areas I know our documentation is out of date or incomplete. We will probably have a lot more exciting things coming this year.

23:10 <ocdtrekkie> I actually just haven't had the chance to respond to the list email. :D

23:11 <ocdtrekkie> It's a pretty good place for anything Sandstorm.

23:12 <vision2profits> I feel like contributing as Sandstorm solves so many problems I have been working through with my brief melee with self hosting

23:22 <ocdtrekkie> Yeah I haven't seen anything else in the space I want to fight with.

23:23 <ocdtrekkie> And the most recent breach of LastPass being caused by an employee's unpatched Plex server... Scary world out there to just install a bunch of stuff.

23:25 <vision2profits> Do you use the Sandstorm password manager or Bitwarden(Vaultwarden?) I'm looking to setup a password manager solution and just don't feel like changing it any time soon

23:26 <ocdtrekkie> So I am generally averse to password managers (and apparently have a reasonably decent memory for extremely long passphrases)

23:26 <ocdtrekkie> But I do use Sandpass to share some passwords with family members.

23:27 <isd> I ended up writing my own: https://github.com/zenhack/dvault

23:27 <isd> I can't say I'd recommend it to many people.

23:27 <isd> But yeah, the landscape is kindof disappointing.

23:30 <vision2profits> How solid would you say the Sandstorm project is?

23:31 <vision2profits> I'm looking for a home to accoumplish all that it does and not really interested in having a bunch of different solutions to try to manage

23:33 <vision2profits> I also would like to learn some coding but not sure what to study that is practical and useful for something I'll be using long term

23:35 <ocdtrekkie> There are enough of us stubbornly committed to it that it should be around in some flavor or another for a long time.

23:35 <vision2profits> that's about as good as it gets where humans are involved

23:37 <vision2profits> I stubbornly commit after a reasonable amount of due diligence (bashing my head against the wall so to speak)

23:37 <ocdtrekkie> As far as learning coding, one the neat things about Sandstorm's model is pretty much anything web-based can run in it. A lot of people have a lot of opinions when you ask what language they should learn.

23:37 <vision2profits> Yes I noticed that about languages

23:38 <ocdtrekkie> Right now a lot of our forward-looking efforts are Golang-based, which is I think generally considered relatively friendly to learn.

23:38 <vision2profits> The guy I learned about creating my first LXD server says PHP. and then everyone else says something else

23:39 <ocdtrekkie> I am a PHP dev personally, if I am anything.

23:39 <isd> It is also nice in that apps written in Go tend to start up quickly, which is a problem a lot of other apps have -- most web frameworks are designed for long-running apps, so they don't really focus on startup time, but Sandstorm shuts apps down when they're not being used, so...

23:40 <ocdtrekkie> But PHP is not super popular for new cool things these days. It is very Sandstorm friendly though.

23:40 <isd> For web stuff I generally recommend starting with https://developer.mozilla.org and go from there.

23:40 <vision2profits> I have been a GUI Linux user for decades for the philosophy and freedom

23:41 <vision2profits> I have been looking at freecodecamp as well

23:42 <vision2profits> One thing that I use quite oftem is a Canva like app called Baseline, but haven't been able to find any good open source image editing apps

23:44 <vision2profits> pixlr-x is pretty handy but getting more an more tightened down towards monthly lock in

23:45 <vision2profits> I really want to replace everything proprietary with open source and just donate monthly to devs working on solid projects

23:45 <ocdtrekkie> My wife is a big Canva fan too. I'd love a solid alternative on Sandstorm.

23:46 <vision2profits> I got Baseline liftime access when they were first on AppSumo

23:48 <vision2profits> I have people send me their link to their stuff on Canva and loggin in Canva feels like being married with your spouse at a party and having someone try to hit on you. (I just want to see my client's project files)