06:00 <isd> I started working on adding helpers for membranes to haskell-capnp

06:51 <xet7> TimMc: Raspberry Pi's are very expensive, and too little RAM. I ordered Orange Pi that has 16 GB RAM for about 140 euro. I did not find 32 GB RAM model to be available. There are also 8 GB RAM etc models. Orange Pi will arrive to me at end of this month.

06:51 <xet7> I can also add NVME drive to Orange Pi

06:51 <xet7> Orange Pi is faster than Raspberry Pi 4

06:51 <xet7> I'll test how well it works

06:52 <xet7> Raspberry Pi 4 currently costs about 200+ or 300+ euro

06:55 <xet7> With any non-RasPi device, I'm testing how well optimized software etc is, can I use it as daily driver. Raspberry Pi OS, RISC OS etc is very optimized.

06:56 <xet7> For any computer, 16 GB RAM is the minimum usable for doing development work

06:57 <xet7> At 8 GB RAM laptop, I had browser crashing, etc, not enough RAM

06:58 <xet7> Also I still have to figure some compiling stuff on non-amd64 CPUs, like at amd64 etc. Sandstorm related I need to build at amd64.

07:00 <xet7> It's possible to build Meteor at Mac M1 using Rosetta2. But it's Mac build, it's not for Linux.

07:00 <xet7> Building on Linux arm64 does not work yet.

07:02 <xet7> At Mac M1, it's possible to run Parallels, and in it Win11 arm64, there also works Win11 amd64 software

07:02 <xet7> For Mac M1 there is also CrossOver Mac, some software works on it

15:38 <TimMc> xet7: 200 euros, whaaaat?

15:40 <TimMc> They should be like $35.

15:53 <ocdtrekkie> supply chain also

15:58 <TimMc> Looks like it's currently listed at $35.

17:41 <isd> TimMc: is it in stock? :P

17:42 <isd> 200-300 is what I saw on ebay the last time I looked.

18:44 <TimMc> No idea. I don't think they sell direct, and I didn't click through to resellers. But I'm fairly sure the two I bought in the past were $25 and $35 respectively.

18:45 <ocdtrekkie> list price has never gone up but list price isn't an achievable goal this year

18:45 <ocdtrekkie> and hasn't been for a while

18:46 <TimMc> Interesting.

18:46 <TimMc> So is Orange Pi some kind of knock-off?

18:46 <ocdtrekkie> even years ago when RasPis were available at list, the physical stores near me would only sell you one at list price, and upcharged for extra

18:49 <TimMc> Microcenter still has the 2GB model B listed at $45... but is sold out.

18:50 <TimMc> so I'm guessing the prices on eBay are purely representing a supply/demand issue

19:02 <isd> Yeah, that was the conclusion I came to looking around

19:04 <TimMc> Currently I'm running any "heavier" applications on a 10 year old trashpicked laptop, and my two raspberry pi servers are for personal stuff (IRC bouncer, mostly) and bastion/monitoring.

19:05 <TimMc> I was thinking of getting another one that could be a portable project computer (CO2 monitoring, wildlife camera, etc.)

19:32 <ocdtrekkie> I recommend old USFF size PCs being resold from corporate use.

19:32 <ocdtrekkie> You can find them between $60-100 and they're vastly more capable than am SBC and have the case and power supply just baked into the deal.