06:28 <mohan43u> novakane: understood, maybe rivercarro can also have something like next-zig, so that it will also be tracked along with latest zig

12:35 <boombim> Hello everyone. How to properly run river on alpine or another non-systemd distro?

12:37 <boombim> I mean seat management session, dbus session and everything else

12:39 <ifreund> boombim: that's hard to answer in general, but you probably want to use your service manager to run seatd and ensure your user has the appropriate group

12:39 <ifreund> iirc alpine has a wiki page on river

12:40 <ifreund> as for dbus you can launch with `dbus-run-session river`

12:43 <boombim> ifreund: thanks a lot. whats a differences between dbus-run-session and dbus-launch?

12:43 <ifreund> no idea, read the man page I guess

12:48 <kennylevinsen> one is older than the other

15:37 <scorpion2185[m]> i use this

15:38 <scorpion2185[m]> exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session river on alpine. and you need to exsport /tmp

15:39 <scorpion2185[m]> are they still here?

15:40 <scorpion2185[m]> as temp. dir

15:40 <scorpion2185[m]> there is a wiki

15:40 <scorpion2185[m]> but they removed the command to export /tmp and linked another wiki that wasn't working fine for me

16:53 <Guest84> Hi guys, I received Thinkpad P1 laptop and I want to use that as an excuse to try out a new WM --- hence, I'm here. I've recently switched to Wayland and so far I am happy with it (using Thinkpad T480s with Intel's integrated GPU). The only concern I have is that this new laptop is equiped with an Nvidia GPU (A2000). I was wondering if River works

16:53 <Guest84> with the proprietary drivers? I found some people on Reddit saying that they have no propblem using proprietary drivers for Nvidia. However, this was written on River's Wiki page:

16:53 <Guest84> What are the minimum hardware requirements for running river?

16:53 <Guest84> River runs well on a ThinkPad X200 from 2008. Any newer hardware should be perfectly fine, as long as you DON'T use PROPRIETARY graphics drivers.

16:53 <Guest84> Can anyone confirm what's the case? Any adivce would be welcomed! Thanks :-)

16:55 <ifreund> If it works great, if it doesn't we can't help

16:56 <ifreund> the only way to find out is to try and pray that nvidia didn't screw you over

16:59 <scorpion2185[m]> i can help

16:59 <Guest84> Thank you for the feedback. I wanted to check. I will definitely try it out. I really wish I could have gotten that laptop with AMD's GPU but hey, it was free so whatever...

16:59 <Guest84> I love Wayland and was very happy to see the BSPWM-like config file and DWM's dynamic features in River. I loved your talk for Zig SHOWTIME. Thank you!

17:00 <scorpion2185[m]> check hyprland wiki , you need to enable drm in nvidia module.

17:00 <Guest84> scorpion2185[m] Thank you.

17:00 <scorpion2185[m]> and a wrapper to add... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b6d678fed40a8f642c90799ce82e6aa7aad22746>)

17:01 <ilrinato> Okay, I will check it out. I expect to get the laptop today and play with it over the weekend.

17:02 <ilrinato> I will reach out if I have some more questions. This should be a good starting point.

17:03 <angry_vincent> scorpion2185[m]: does it run in native wayland, i.e no xwayland? wih nvidia-drm

17:16 <scorpion2185[m]> not sure what you mean. once it is started it is always wayland and isn't xwayland some optional "module" ?

17:19 <scorpion2185[m]> there was some flickering that it's fixed here https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/wlroots-nvidia

17:19 <scorpion2185[m]> but i didn't try that so maybe it's not fixed. app in fullscreen was not flickering

17:19 <scorpion2185[m]> i had some audio problem , other said it's fine

17:20 <scorpion2185[m]> i need to test with other audio card

17:20 <angry_vincent> nvidia claimed gbm ( instead their own egl-streams ) support added in new drivers, but initially it was to run xwayland.

17:21 <angry_vincent> but it was few years back

17:21 <angry_vincent> is it able to run pure wayland now? i do not know how to explain better

17:22 <scorpion2185[m]> cat /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf

17:22 <scorpion2185[m]> options nvidia-drm modeset=1

17:22 <scorpion2185[m]> no idead about that xwayland thing. I am using x11 on nvidia pc

17:22 <angry_vincent> allright

17:22 <scorpion2185[m]> i think so but I am not sure

17:23 <angry_vincent> my undersanding was that discussion is about running river/wayland an nvidia

17:23 <scorpion2185[m]> yes indeed

17:23 <scorpion2185[m]> wiht proprietary driver

17:24 <scorpion2185[m]> >i think so but I am not sure

17:24 <scorpion2185[m]> it's referred to that "pure wayland"

17:52 <scorpion2185[m]> my connection freezed while I was sending messages so maybe the order is messed up

18:28 <Guest84> Regarding the intial answer I got from ifreund:

18:28 <Guest84> > the only way to find out is to try and pray that nvidia didn't screw you over

18:28 <Guest84> Will this depend on the particular GPU model and how it was desigened to integrate with the rest of the hardware, or will it depend on a particular driver version?

18:28 <Guest84> In other words, if I try River and everything ends up working fine, am I at risk of something potentially breaking when my proprietary drivers are updated?

18:29 <ifreund> you are always at risk of something breaking when updating anything, the difference with proprietary software is that the only party who can fix your issue is nvidia

18:31 <Guest84> Thank you