06:21 <cfbolz> mattip: test_enumerate and test_range now crash it seems

06:21 <mattip> fixing

06:22 <mattip> thanks

06:23 <cfbolz> test_ztranslation in posix is on me I think

17:08 <fijal> hm, do we have any ideas whether we like c99 or not?

17:08 <fijal> I can probably make us emit c99 code, not sure if that's the part of m1 work or not, but if we do that, I would do so

17:11 <mattip> MSVC is the problematic child, it supports most of c99 but not all

17:12 <mattip> we have definitely moved past vs2008, now we are using vs2019

17:17 <fijal> we don't need to emit ALL c99

17:17 <fijal> current problem is implicit declaration of functions (we really should not do that)

17:20 <cfbolz> fijal: ugh, yes, that should just be fixed

18:42 <rouilj2> Hello. I am one of the developers of the Roundup Issue Tracker. Its written in Python and I thought I'd try it under PyPy. However a third party library it needs uses the symtable module. 'import symtable' fails with "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named '_symtable'". This is with PyPy Python 3.7.12 (44db26267d0a, Oct 24 2021, 14:21:50) [PyPy 7.3.7 with GCC 7.3.1 20180303 (Red Hat 7.3.1-5)]. Any idea how I fix this or is it unfixabl

18:44 <cfbolz> rouilj2: hi!

18:45 <cfbolz> rouilj2: which library is that, out of curiosity?

18:58 <rouilj2> it's an older version of zope.

18:58 <rouilj2> modified.

18:59 <cfbolz> rouilj2: ok

18:59 <cfbolz> rouilj2: open an issue. it's possible to implement this module, I suppose

19:02 <rouilj2> PythonExpr.py to be exact. You can embed python code in templates. The library hands the python code off to the python interpreter for evaluation then pulls the results back via symtable it looks like.

19:02 <rouilj2> Will do.

19:02 <cfbolz> rouilj2: cool :-)

19:03 <krono> fijal: I personally think c99 is a more sane set of C rules. There are some funky ones, but nobody needs to use them

19:05 <krono> It seems that, apart from complex.h and special strfmt stuff, recent VS versions are quite ok with C99 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/overview/visual-cpp-language-conformance?view=msvc-170#c-standard-library-features-1

19:05 <krono> (library, that is)

20:44 <Guest96> I did not expect to wander into this channel and find zope tales expressions being discussed :)

20:44 <Guest96> much surprises :)

21:05 <cfbolz> Guest96: if you know how to write a small example using this stuff, please do so: https://foss.heptapod.net/pypy/pypy/-/issues/3606

21:05 <cfbolz> would be cool to have something smaller to test it with than all of roundup

21:59 <Guest96> cfbolz sorry I am not a real programmer, more of a devloloper :) I can write basic zpt, but not tales