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the_drow >
It seems like it works and scales
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the_drow >
while maintaining the reference counting GC
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LarstiQ >
is that the same thing as the google docs link cfbolz pasted?
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fijal >
I think if we can agree on GILless python semantics, it would not be too hard to do so in pypy
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but my general read is that agreeing on semantics will be very very difficult
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the_drow >
LarstiQ: Oh, yes
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fijal: I think that the entire point of the design is that semantics don't change as most c-exensions he checked just work
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the_drow: what are the promises of atomicity on various python operations?
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the_drow >
they remain atomic
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the_drow >
fijal: See Collection thread-safety in the google doc
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ok, that adds problems, like locking is expensive
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but also, does that apply to all the modules?
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the_drow >
Apparently, it isn't in this case
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the_drow >
I suggest you go over the document.
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the_drow >
I'm sure you'll have more accurate feedback than I do
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fijal: I think the insight of this experiment is that if you get things right, locking can be less expensive
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fijal >
yeah I should
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fijal >
cfbolz: my worry is less about locking and more about politics
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the_drow >
What do you mean?
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arigato >
cool project, maybe it will finally push cpython into accepting the necessary changes
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the_drow >
Celery would be so much easier to maintain if I didn't have to use prefork as a default
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the_drow: I mean that 1) it's very easy to drown in politics on python-dev and 2) someone somewhere will block this over, I don't know, atomicity of some audioop library or something completely irrelevant
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so if there is enough will to agree on *something*, then I think I'm very happy
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the_drow, prefork rocks
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On a side not, you will never satisfy everyone
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Dejan >
Many people still believe threads are evil
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Dejan >
the_drow, btw you should join #celery too ;)
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Dejan >
ah you are there... ignore me
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