09:57 <m_mans> Hi all!

09:57 <m_mans> Merry Christmas!

09:57 <abu[m]> Hi m_mans, merry Christmas!

10:10 <m_mans> abu[m]: could you put link to https://picolisp.ru? I have no idea where is the right place for it

10:11 <abu[m]> Cool! I have also no idea though ;)

10:11 <abu[m]> Somewhere on the start page

10:11 <m_mans> I've finished configuring it, using Hugo+Markdown+git looks good choiсe for me )

10:12 <m_mans> Ah, we have a https://picolisp.com/wiki/?community, maybe there?

10:13 <abu[m]> Right, that's better. The start page has no such links.

10:14 <m_mans> Good, I'll put it there a bit later

10:21 <abu[m]> Perfect ☺

10:22 <m_mans> abu[m]: btw, I read in the chat log, that you've released next version of Picolisp for Debian. I'm interested, how release process looks like? Where to take sources for Debian package? Is that still Picolisp 64? Or Pil21?

10:23 <m_mans> Because it seems no more links to pil64 on the download page

10:23 <abu[m]> It is all pil21 now. I just send the TGZ to Kanru, the maintainer of PicoLisp for Debian.

10:23 <m_mans> Ah, ok

10:24 <abu[m]> Takes usually a few days until it appears in unstable, and then a few weeks to appear in testing.

10:25 <m_mans> So it's time to migrate all applications to pil21

10:26 <abu[m]> Yes, I would recommend so. Lots of improvements and some bug fixes

10:27 <abu[m]> It is mostly compatible. The only function to check perhaps is 'arg'

10:27 <abu[m]> See @doc/diff "'arg' without arguments is not supported"

10:28 <m_mans> ok

10:28 <abu[m]> Just try to start old apps with another path like ../pil21/pil ... and see what happens ;)

10:30 <m_mans> In fact, right now my existing apps are not in production, so I have time to check everything, nothing serious

10:30 <abu[m]> good

10:36 <m_mans> I have Debian11 on new server, when new release can appear there? (I'm not guru in Debian at all ))

10:37 <abu[m]> What does "$ apt list picolisp" say?

10:37 <m_mans> picolisp/stable,now 21.1.8-1 amd64 [installed]

10:37 <abu[m]> I always have Debian Testing

10:38 <abu[m]> ok, but no problem. Just install a local version

10:38 <m_mans> yeah, np

10:38 <abu[m]> get the TGZ and check the INSTALL file

10:39 <abu[m]> It needs some libs and tools, e.g. llvm

10:39 <abu[m]> and then just 'make'

10:39 <m_mans> having "fallback" pil64 is even better (personally for me) :)

10:39 <abu[m]> I always have the global version installed, but don't use it

10:39 <abu[m]> true

10:40 <abu[m]> One advantage of pil21 is that it does not need a global pil to bootstrap

10:41 <m_mans> I've noticed that doing make in fresh cloned pil21 from git mirror can fail, it seems because git doesn't preserve timestamp

10:42 <abu[m]> yes, probably

10:42 <abu[m]> no problem

10:42 <m_mans> I mean using official TGZ seems better option for novice

10:43 <abu[m]> Seems the clearest to me at least

10:43 <abu[m]> unpack TGZ and make

10:44 <abu[m]> But some people can't use tar any more

10:44 <m_mans> haha

10:45 <abu[m]> So this is a good filter. Such people will probably not like PicoLisp then

10:45 <m_mans> T