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<heat_> klange, they're being super duper noisy this release
<heat_> it's quite controversial
<heat_> a bunch of autotools stuff broke because of it
<heat_> usually, it errors out. I don't know why it's not an error in bim's case
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<klange> Possibly _because_ I'm specifying gnu11 where it's still legal, vs. not specifying any -std?
<heat_> possibly
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<JerOfPanic> hi
<ThinkT510> greetings
* JerOfPanic is working on his internet search engine
<JerOfPanic> dumped C for Perl
<JerOfPanic> its actually faster after using Perl + 100% structural changes in the database
<JerOfPanic> coca,cola.txt
<JerOfPanic> in this order
<JerOfPanic> if you search with coca, it does coca,* all files
<ThinkT510> got a public repo?
<bslsk05> ​github.com: JTMOS/__altse-180922.tar.gz at master · jer64/JTMOS · GitHub
<JerOfPanic> latest release
<JerOfPanic> ThinkT510: the database is prerendered and ready4 to be viewed for the WWW client
<JerOfPanic> ThinkT510: /whois me for demo
<ThinkT510> do you have something against using folders?
<JerOfPanic> ThinkT510: huh?
<ThinkT510> everything in your repo is just dumped in the top level
<JerOfPanic> dunno
<JerOfPanic> I made this a couple days
<JerOfPanic> so waiting for finals
<JerOfPanic> just do it :)
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<ThinkT510> github seems to say most of your files are from 3 year ago
<JerOfPanic> check again
<JerOfPanic> made something like 20+ releases this year
<JerOfPanic> oh folders
<JerOfPanic> you mean github folders?
<JerOfPanic> just it for personal backup
<JerOfPanic> not much gossip around it
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<moon-child> gcc is funny
<moon-child> https://godbolt.org/z/j4qK4P9r3 why does it cache the first word of y, but not the second?
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<bslsk05> ​godbolt.org: Compiler Explorer
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<wootehfoot> moon-child, https://godbolt.org/z/W1e6xnTW1
<bslsk05> ​godbolt.org: Compiler Explorer
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<wootehfoot> moon-child, made a derp, it's not supposed to return unsigned, new even shorter: https://godbolt.org/z/hY3dd58e1
<bslsk05> ​godbolt.org: Compiler Explorer
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<zid> man, cinebench is slow on single core mode, it does the "Yea this should be fine for a quad socket thread ripper system" test but.. with 1 core
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<Griwes> https://github.com/python/cpython/issues/95778#issuecomment-1237498270 holy shit. People constructively tell you your solution is shit, so clearly you need to invoke the CoC
<bslsk05> ​github.com: CVE-2020-10735: Prevent DoS by large int<->str conversions · Issue #95778 · python/cpython · GitHub
<Griwes> Well I guess if I was ever tempted to contribute anything to python for any reason, I'll just look back to this comment to stop the temptation
<netbsduser> Griwes: i lost my respect for python when i saw how they reacted to a gentoo developer opening an issue about something breaking on Gentoo for S390
<netbsduser> the Great Pythons were infuriated at this commoner bothering their majesties with an issue on an "old" platform and they declared a holy war on other "old" platforms
<netbsduser> one of them had a fit of apoplexy when he saw some m68k-specific code and called it 'technical debt' - it was 10 lines of code which enabled the relaxation of alignment constraints (m68k only needs 2-byte alignment) for pointers. i don't know if cooler heads prevailed in the end, but he called for the removal of numerous platforms
<Griwes> Tbh s390 *is* fucking old :P
<Griwes> This conversion discussion is so far beyond any discussions of half-dead arches in its utter stupidity
<zid> yea that reply sums it up pretty well
<zid> 'strlen may be slow on long strings, so we no longer support strings larger tham 100kB'
<Griwes> :'D
<Griwes> Don't give them ideas
<zid> I mean it's basically what they just said is their design goal
<zid> I just love the idea that it's no longer just 'how the language works'
<zid> when the only reference impl. needs recompiling to remove it
<zid> "nah this is totally adjustable, you just need to re-write parts of the only extant interpreter for the language"
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<mjg_> sounds very php-y
<netbsduser> Griwes: in both cases the Illustrious Pythonisti showed poor judgment
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<netbsduser> i actually think the platforms things was worse because it was just a hissy fit
<netbsduser> this is certainly a big thing though. they've introduced an artificial limitation into their own language
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<moon-child> wootehfoot: that's still caching the first word and not the second though
<moon-child> actually worse now, because you don't get to skip the load if the branch fails
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<ddevault> my kernel overhaul is going quite well
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<CompanionCube> netbsduser: the m68k thing comes off worse than s390
<mrvn> zid: Ocaml only supports 15MB strings on 32bit archs.
<mrvn> 16MB - a bit actually.
<netbsduser> CompanionCube: it was a temper tantrum on their part
<netbsduser> a few weeks later LLVM *added* m68k support
<CompanionCube> since i expect the vast majority of s390 users moved to s390x and m68k is much more a cul-de-sac
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<ddevault> anyone around who can help me get my forum account set up?
<CompanionCube> of course the registration page still refers to freenode
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<ddevault> for posterity, here is my forum problem:
<ddevault> >The specified username is currently inactive. If you have problems activating your account, please contact a board administrator.
<ddevault> if any admins pick it up, feel free to ping me
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* moon-child coffees geist
<geist> Jet lagged. Just got off plane and have been awake for like 20hrs