15:43 <discocaml> <khalid1103_29846> hi everyone, im creating a history of programming languages poster together with my student organization, I had a few questions regarding the releases of the OCaml languages. I was hoping some of you could help me with the selection of the releases (which versions are trivial and should be scrapped, which are meaningful and should be on the poster etc.). Specifically the following: 4.11, 4.12, 4.14, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2. I did try to go thro

15:45 <kou9> hi everyone, im creating a history of programming languages poster together with my student organization, I had a few questions regarding the releases of the OCaml languages. I was hoping some of you could help me with the selection of the releases (which versions are trivial and should be scrapped, which are meaningful and should be on the poster

15:45 <kou9> etc.). Specifically the following: 4.11, 4.12, 4.14, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2. I did try to go through the release notes but i lack the technical skills :p

15:46 <discocaml> <khalid1103_29846> ^ this is me

15:50 <discocaml> <octachron> There is a list of release highlights in release-info/news

16:14 <discocaml> <khalid1103_29846> @octachron since 'meaningful' is kind of vague, it would be more accurate to say im asking for opinions from people knowledgeable on OCaml, if you had to pick, say only 3 releases, which ones would you choose?

16:15 <companion_cube> 4.12, 5.0, 5.2 maybe

16:16 <discocaml> <khalid1103_29846> reasoning?

16:16 <companion_cube> mostly my impressions, 4.12 was the last "big" release on 4.xx for me; 5.0 is clearly a milestone, and 5.2 is the first kinda usable 5.x release

16:16 <companion_cube> we'll see if 5.3 helps, with compaction back on the menu :)

16:17 <kou9> I see, that helps! thanks

16:45 <sadiq> companion_cube, what are you hoping compaction will help with?

16:46 <companion_cube> memory usage :)

16:56 <discocaml> <sim642> I should probably try that on one of my projects too once it's out. We never switched to 5 because the memory usage was significantly higher

16:57 <discocaml> <rongcuid> Are there any intermediate guides for the effects system in OCaml 5? Most things I find online are still in 2022 or even before for an ocaml fork

16:59 <discocaml> <anmonteiro> did you already take a look at the manual?

17:00 <discocaml> <anmonteiro> https://ocaml.org/manual/5.2/effects.html

17:04 <discocaml> <rongcuid> Yes

17:05 <discocaml> <rongcuid> Thus I am asking about intermediate materials, like guidelines to structure a large application around effects

17:06 <companion_cube> I'd say, probably, don't

17:06 <companion_cube> effects are supposed to be used for specific problems, namely, writing concurrent schedulers

17:06 <companion_cube> not really intended to be general purpose :)

17:07 <discocaml> <rongcuid> Hmmm, I thought they were supposed to be serving the same role as Monad stacks for Haskell?

17:07 <discocaml> <rongcuid> At least I feel like that's what they are advertised to do

17:07 <companion_cube> maybe in Haskell

17:07 <companion_cube> in OCaml you don't really need a monad stack in the first place

17:10 <discocaml> <rongcuid> Ok. I've only worked with somebody else's OCaml code and not written a full thing myself

17:51 <discocaml> <ada2k> hopefully with effects becoming more usable people will find wacky ways to use them