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<freemangordon> Wizzup: ok, got it. maemo-launcher does not get started from init.d script even now, but from XSession script, so I am going to remove init.d script for maemo launcher
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: the boot 25 seconds hang is because of 'su - user'
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<freemangordon> google suggests it is related to selinux
<freemangordon> hmm:
<freemangordon> Mar 6 10:36:43 localhost dbus-daemon[2090]: [system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.login1' requested by ':1.0' (uid=0 pid=2227 comm="su - user /etc/osso-af-init/real-af-dbus start ") (using servicehelper)
<freemangordon> this is it I guess
<freemangordon> uvos: Any idea what is this? ^^^
<freemangordon> oh, ok, adding elogind as a dependency of dbus-user fixes the boot delay
<freemangordon> this fixes poweroff delay as well
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<Wizzup> freemangordon: good work
<arno11> Hi guys. Hope things are going well with chimaera stuff
<arno11> fyi N900 overclocking + undervolting works fine
<arno11> battery +20 %
<arno11> Removing 125 freq helps a lot
<Wizzup> the real battery saver is working to enable ret and off modes
<Wizzup> but that requires kernel work
<Wizzup> then you'll get a week no problem I think
<arno11> i know but indeed that's not an easy task
<Wizzup> :)
<Wizzup> you can get RET on leste with gui, but it will just reset eventually
<arno11> ah ok good to know
<Wizzup> I already made some pm fixes to make this possible, but yeah, I don't remember where it resets
<arno11> i found your pm stuff on github and tried few things
<arno11> but it seems that something still block sleep mode
<Wizzup> yeah, you also need to block some modules from loading iirc
<Wizzup> I can check next weekend if you're interested in helping out
<arno11> sure
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<arno11> just ping me when you have time to check
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<Wizzup> cool
<Wizzup> freemangordon: the fixes you made, shall we push them to chimaera-devel?
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: what fixes?
<Wizzup> freemangordon: 11:46 < freemangordon> oh, ok, adding elogind as a dependency of dbus-user fixes the boot delay
<freemangordon> I will fix the package later on
<freemangordon> nothing is still on github
<uvos__> sorry i wasent qutie following allong
<freemangordon> uvos__: after installing elogind, there is 25 seconds boot (and shutdown) delay
<uvos__> so our solution wrt elogind is "kick the can down the road" for now? ie you are disableing it as far as possible
<uvos__> while haveing he pacakge installed
<freemangordon> we disable nothing
<uvos__> but are you creating a lognd session?
<uvos__> and running in that?
<freemangordon> trying to
<uvos__> ok
<uvos__> neat
<uvos__> sorry for still being busy :(
<freemangordon> but, initially (and for the purpose of chimaera being released), there will be no logind session leste will run in
<uvos__> ok
<uvos__> yeah this should work with no mofidications really
<freemangordon> so, elogind is installed and running
<freemangordon> not really
<uvos__> ok
<freemangordon> as it seems su wants elogind running
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<uvos__> ok
<freemangordon> otherwise it wait for 25 seconds :)
<freemangordon> *waits
<uvos__> ok
<freemangordon> also, weem maemo-launcher already runs from xsession script
<freemangordon> *seems
<uvos__> ok
<uvos__> so it has the user env
<freemangordon> yes
<uvos__> maybe i should implement maemo-launcher sending itself the env via dbus, so that eatch proc has the env from where it is launched
<uvos__> (since this probubly causes other issues too)
<freemangordon> iI don;t see maemo-launcher causing any issues
<uvos__> for now
<uvos__> but its suprizeing when you application suddenly runs in a random env
<uvos__> different from where it was launched from
<uvos__> (seemingly)
<freemangordon> so, my plan is to start /etc/X11/Xsession from autologin
<freemangordon> and all will start working automagically
<Wizzup> well the env affects how things are loaded potentially
<uvos__> through hidon-session i hope
<freemangordon> this will be for the future
<uvos__> ok
<uvos__> not sure why
<uvos__> since its just the same ting
<freemangordon> if xsession init.d script launches login session, I think we can call it a day for now
<uvos__> but redirected trough 2 shells
<uvos__> er bash scripts
<uvos__> but ok
<uvos__> i gues launching x is different
<freemangordon> right
<uvos__> launching x as root is bad however
<uvos__> so is pulse
<uvos__> we can have regular pulse then too
<freemangordon> ok, but as a stop-gap (until we have all this working) I guess we can do it like that
<uvos__> yes
<uvos__> i agree
<freemangordon> also, that would mean we do it in smaller steps
<uvos__> yes
<freemangordon> so easier to track the issues
<uvos__> total agreement
<freemangordon> :deal: :)
<uvos__> hopefull ill find the time to do the rest
<freemangordon> right
<freemangordon> also, we shall keep gconf for now
<uvos__> sure
<uvos__> thats a nightmare
<freemangordon> right
<uvos__> but we should maybe decide on where to move
<uvos__> soonish
<freemangordon> agree
<uvos__> since we can then start implementing stuff like switchble backends
<freemangordon> I proposed configfs, but not sure if it can be 100% replacement
<uvos__> me neither
<uvos__> i think gsettings can work
<uvos__> eccept icd2
<uvos__> exceppt
<freemangordon> no, because of the dynamic creation of keys
<uvos__> you can do that
<freemangordon> can I?
<freemangordon> :)
<uvos__> yes, but its quite rigid
<freemangordon> anyway, this is for the future
<uvos__> you have a scheme that references another sheme, but the number instances of this scheme is dynamic
<uvos__> so that works in most casses
<freemangordon> I see
<uvos__> icd2 is wierd because the keys it creates changes
<uvos__> anyhow
<freemangordon> that looks over-engineered to me
<uvos__> we can also use something else
<freemangordon> (gsettings)
<freemangordon> yeah
<uvos__> the benefit is that the api is the same
<uvos__> so are the schemes
<uvos__> it just enforces things that are optional in gconf
<uvos__> so you can migrate easier
<freemangordon> hmm
<uvos__> than elsewhere (presumably)
<uvos__> in simple cases
<uvos__> (not dynamic keys)
<freemangordon> so, there is nothing similar to windows registry now in linux, right?
<uvos__> i mean gconf is pretty simmular to windows registry
<uvos__> so not sure what you mean by that
<freemangordon> yes, but it is no more ;)
<bencoh> nothing replaces gconf?
<freemangordon> that's why I said *now*
<freemangordon> bencoh: do you know of a replacement?
<uvos__> a "well behaved" (compleat scheme with all keys etc) gconf application needs minimal modfication
<bencoh> freemangordon: I dont, I'm just surprised
<uvos__> bencoh: by what?
<freemangordon> they migrated everything to gsettings, but it lacks functionality compared to gconf
<bencoh> ah, I see
<uvos__> i mean thats not really true, its just way way more enforceing of structure
<freemangordon> and why is that needed?
<uvos__> like every key needs to be in a scheme so gsettings knows 100% that i can delete all the keys when a application is uninstalled
<uvos__> for instance
<freemangordon> aha
<uvos__> ie so that the windows registry is huge effect dosent occure :)
<freemangordon> so, it is like "yeah, screw the functionality as long as we don;t have to do anything complicated" :)
<uvos__> i mean gnome people wrote this
<uvos__> so yes
<freemangordon> yeah
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<maemish_> Good job.
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<Wizzup> uvos: I am trying to remember why I got the mz615 - easier to reflash?
<Wizzup> god my memory is terrible
<Wizzup> iirc it had no modem so there was a microsd card slot?
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<uvos__> Wizzup: some mz61x variants other than mz617 have a sdcard slot, yes, im not sure if mz615 is one of those, but i think yes
<uvos__> this allows you to have mainline linux installed with resonable space without breaking android
<uvos__> without the sdcard slot you have to first install linux to a small partition via fastboot and then install it somewhere else useing that install
<uvos__> still
<uvos__> mz615 has the extreamly locked bootloader too
<uvos__> so you need to use the spicy method of installing kexecboot
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<freemangordon> Wizzup: building osso-af-startup for chimaera
<freemangordon> feel free to push the other changes once it is ready
<freemangordon> hmm, seems autobuilder has issues
<freemangordon> Wizzup: please have a look once you are around
<Wizzup> freemangordon: what is the issue
<Wizzup> everything seems to have passed
<freemangordon> there is nothing in the irc
<Wizzup> freemangordon: yes, it doesn't update for 'all' archtres
<Wizzup> it's silly
<Wizzup> I need to fix it some time
<freemangordon> ok, osso-af-startup is there
<freemangordon> we need config and hildon-base now
<freemangordon> and we should be ready
<freemangordon> maybe upgrade and confirm boot delay is gone
<Wizzup> ok, later tonight :)
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<sicelo> arno11: nice work!
<sicelo> might be useful to document the O/C work in wiki
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<arno11> sicelo: thank you :)
<arno11> its on the road for the wiki
<arno11> just testing few other things before
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