<Tenkawa>
from what I read.. I wish I could have picked up one of the PBP's now...
* psydroid
just emulates a whole ARM machine on his x86 laptop for now and dubs it the PBNP
<jakllsch>
NP?
<Tenkawa>
psydroid: my laptop is too bulky
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<Tenkawa>
psydroid: any my "good" arm laptop is too pricy to carry around
<Tenkawa>
this would be the perfect travel box
<psydroid>
jakllsch: it was a joke, NP = Non-Pro
<jakllsch>
heh
<Tenkawa>
(coffee shops, restaurants) where I go
<jakllsch>
there already was a non-Pro Pinebook :-)
<Tenkawa>
not hauling around my MBP to these places
<psydroid>
Tenkawa, I'm waiting for a laptop with RK3588, but it might come years after SBCs with the same SoC
<psydroid>
I wouldn't either
<psydroid>
yeah
<psydroid>
I would be fine with a new Pinebook with RK356x
<Tenkawa>
psydroid: that might go back into the higher end category too though
<Tenkawa>
psydroid: speaking of RK356x the RK3568 is making progress
<psydroid>
that's been the problem, you can get used or new x86 laptops from €/$ 300-400
<Tenkawa>
still slow battle getting up to date
<psydroid>
so the incentive hasn't really been there so far for me at least
<Tenkawa>
I want arm only
<Tenkawa>
I'm done woth x86
<Tenkawa>
er with
<psydroid>
especially because Pinebooks aren't available at this point in time
<Tenkawa>
I only own the ones I had before and soon as they crash no more
<psydroid>
I am also done with x86, but I just SSH or VNC into my ARM SBC to get access to a wholly native ARM environment
<psydroid>
I basically use this laptop as a thin client
<psydroid>
and I haven't bought any new x86 hardware since 2016
<Tenkawa>
so do I ... but since my "workstation/laptop" is arm lol
<psydroid>
that's why I hope there will be a new Pinebook so I can use that as a daily driver while waiting for the new Pinebook Pro to be designed and manufactured
<psydroid>
I don't really see how a Chromebook would work for me, because those always come with eMMC or UFS storage
<Tenkawa>
yeah
<CounterPillow>
Tenkawa: how do you currently boot your odroid m1? just petitboot and then a kernel and initrd on some linux-readable file system?
<Tenkawa>
yeah just built a custom image that we built a boot.scr that it can pick up to boot our media and go
<CounterPillow>
I've been using extlinux.conf in my ARM SBCs, I wonder if that's supported instead of just boot.scr
<Tenkawa>
we "wanted" to use that
<Tenkawa>
thats what we usually use too
<Tenkawa>
but first tests didn't go well
<Tenkawa>
problem is I have the unit however the other dev is the main coder
<Tenkawa>
so its a he fixes I test
<CounterPillow>
I see
<Tenkawa>
I know the system side... not the coding side
<Tenkawa>
(I know code/assembly debugging... just not writing new stuff)
<Tenkawa>
We use extlinux on the remainder of our Odroid, FriendlyElec, Radxa, RockPro units
<Tenkawa>
just not this one or Raspberry PI
<Tenkawa>
and a few others looking at the list
<Tenkawa>
these are the only 2 we don't
<mps>
rk3399 gru-kevin chromebook served me really fine for about four years as workstation, and it is still ok but I switched to M1 from last october
<mps>
internal emmc with 32GB ram is quite enough for normal work, and for some 'big things' external mmc or usb ssd disk is solution
<mps>
and it is to carry around, less than 1Kg
<mps>
it is easy*
<Tenkawa>
mps: which chromebook is that?
<Tenkawa>
are those commercially avail?
<jakllsch>
they have CBs with 32G now
<jakllsch>
?
<jakllsch>
(or do you mean 32G eMMC?)
<Tenkawa>
I'd be very happy with that to replace my dell amd 2core pile
<Tenkawa>
jakllsch: thats got to be eMMC
<Tenkawa>
but if thats ram I want!!
<Tenkawa>
lol
<jakllsch>
do they still have high-end chromebooks like the pixel?
* Tenkawa
looks
<jakllsch>
(although that was x86)
<Tenkawa>
well its intel and old
<Tenkawa>
but looks like no
<Bitweasil>
I miss my Pixel 2 LS or whatever...
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<mps>
jakllsch: yes, 32GB emmc
<Bitweasil>
It started having some backlight issues so I sold it before it died. Heh.
<Bitweasil>
The original Pixel was short on RAM but also quite epic.
<mps>
Tenkawa: smasung cromebook one, code name gru-kevin
<Tenkawa>
yeah just looked at 4 vendors... all out of stock/unavail
<mps>
jakllsch: I also have meditek mt8173 Acer R13 chromebook, code name elm-oak with 64GB emmc
<mps>
mediatek*
<mps>
I didn't looked in last year if there are some better arm chromebooks
<mps>
thinking one with rk35XX would be fine
<Bitweasil>
<Tenkawa> yeah just looked at 4 vendors... all out of stock/unavail <-- Try finding things like 8 bit microcontrollers. Friend is looking for some bog standard used to be hundreds of thousands of them available units, he found 10. At $20-$30/ea. :(
<Tenkawa>
well... I did "find" 1... at 3x cost
<Tenkawa>
no thanks
<Tenkawa>
and used
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<Bitweasil>
A friend's theory is that we're seeing the end of cheap consumer tech, and cheap tech in general, as the supply chains just won't recover from all this.
<Bitweasil>
It's hard to argue. :/
<psydroid>
what is cheap?
<Bitweasil>
2019 pricing.
<macc24>
jakllsch: check out 'acer chromebook 514'
<macc24>
for a fast arm chromebooks
<macc24>
there are also mt8195 machines coming Soon™ (should have been released at end of last year, still aren't out lol)
<psydroid>
I just think supply should be increased by having semiconductors and products based on them produced in several strategic regions around the world
<CounterPillow>
"it won't recover" is an incredibly cynical interpretation of a crisis mostly spurred on by high consumer demand which as its consequence fuels investment into heightening production capacity to satisfy said demand, but this is getting very far off topic. :)
<CounterPillow>
These things just take time to rebalance themselves
<CounterPillow>
It has only been 3 years, as far as I know that's about the time it takes for a new semiconductor fab to be built.
* Tenkawa
only wants rk* specificly
* psydroid
wouldn't mind Allwinner A200
* macc24
just wants fun chips
<Tenkawa>
all my Allwinner's have been a pain
<psydroid>
the only real issue with A64 is clock drift because of a hardware bug
<psydroid>
and the lack of HDMI audio and wifi
<psydroid>
although I have a workaround for the first one and don't use wifi
<Bitweasil>
psydroid, but what if we decide that's too expensive and produce a majority of them with one company, in a place that some big country or another really seems to want back? We save a lot of money, and there are no downsides, right?
<Bitweasil>
I'm with Tenkawa here... my N2+ is a pain in the rear, GPUwise.
<Bitweasil>
CounterPillow, it's not just end-state consumer electronics, though. He's down in the weeds of designing boards and the like, literally can't get parts.
<Bitweasil>
You want a basic MCU, entire swaths of product that were long term support sort of things simply don't exist anymore.
<CounterPillow>
I know, especially Bosch and Microchip is very unavailable right now.
<Bitweasil>
It's not just demand, it's a lack of them being produced due to random shutdowns and lockdowns and "Oh, look, the stuff we need to produce it is blocked because another ship got stuck somewhere" and such.
<Bitweasil>
And companies that make those precursors and such have been going out of business.
<Bitweasil>
Look at the issues with neon supply now.
<Tenkawa>
Bitweasil: N2+ is Amlogic
<Tenkawa>
not Allwinner
<Bitweasil>
It's not "one thing and recover," it's "How many things can you survive until you go out of business?"
<Bitweasil>
Tenkawa, right, sorry... *derp* Other A chip.
<Tenkawa>
Amlogic's are awesome
<Tenkawa>
juts pricier
<Tenkawa>
er just
<Bitweasil>
I very much like my RK3399, haven't had any issues with it, though my PBP does like to lose wireless after sleep cycles.
<Bitweasil>
Ok.
<Tenkawa>
I like my rk3399 too
<Bitweasil>
You have a few of the RockPros, right?
<Tenkawa>
yeah the rk64
<Tenkawa>
I'm working on my RK3568 now
<Bitweasil>
*nods* I'm annoyed enough with the N2+ for desktop use I've been considering one, but I think tolerating it and waiting for the Rock5 or QuartzPro64 is the right answer at this point.
<Tenkawa>
Bitweasil: oh hey... did you still need that cma/video patch?
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<Bitweasil>
I talked to him about it, it's just resizing the CMA region, I've messed with that a bit and it didn't solve the issues.
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