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<Jmabsd>
psydroid: wow A200 looks great!
<Jmabsd>
psydroid: SSD via USB?
<Jmabsd>
SATA?
<psydroid>
Jmabsd, yes, it's much better that way even over USB2
<psydroid>
SATA<->USB3 cable
<psydroid>
for a SATA SSD
<Jmabsd>
Ah great. Yea is OK.
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<mps>
psydroid: Jmabsd: I have 3 allwinner A64 devices (olimex), they are easy to setup and works fine, but rk3399 is faster
<psydroid>
mps, I decided to skip everything with RK3399 and wait for RK3588 instead, because I didn't want to get "marginally" faster hardware. Allwinner A64 is fast enough to get some proof of concept code running.
<psydroid>
And I didn't plan to keep running GNU/Linux on it forever
<mps>
psydroid: sure, rk3399 is out-of-date now, if I need new arm SBC I would buy rk3588
<mps>
but I think I will move to riscv for all new SBCs
<psydroid>
I'll keep ARM hardware around for development purposes and add RISC-V as available chips improve
<psydroid>
Things are finally looking good for RISC-V
<psydroid>
although it's been just a few years since things really started
<psydroid>
I remember the first HiFive Unleashed I saw at FOSDEM
<psydroid>
that was a very expensive thing to run as a desktop and it was more of a development and validation board
<psydroid>
hopefully prices can come down over time like with the VisionFive
<mps>
'bigger' ones are still mostly for development
<psydroid>
this is looking good and is good enough to get a basic system up and running
<psydroid>
hopefully these chips will get 4 cores over time
<mps>
nice people from riscv foundation trying to send me one of this https://linuxgizmos.com/beaglev-risc-v-sbc-reborn-as-visionfive-v1/ for alpine linux development, but because of 'broken supply channels' in last time board didn't arrived yet and have no idea when it will, if ever
<mps>
it costs around 140-160$
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<psydroid>
I need to complete my registration as a member with the risc-v foundation
<psydroid>
I've done some assembly programming and want to look into designing a simple risc-v core later this year or next year
<mps>
psydroid: what are benefits if you register as a member
<macc24>
are dsi displays supported on rk3399 in mainline u-boot?
<macc24>
as in, the dsi interface in soc, i am very much willing to port a display to u-boot
<wens>
AFAIK MediaTek is only just getting into the AIoT/SBC market.
<wens>
That just how the market has been for them. They push huge volumes for smartphones and maybe TV stuff
<macc24>
are cheaper than difference of price between $250 chromebook and $500 board
<wens>
low-volume stuff is going to be more expensive :/
<wens>
also depends on how many layers they are doing
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<Jmabsd>
mps: the RISCV:s are godly slow, compare Sifive Unmatched
<Jmabsd>
mps,psydroid: does Linux have any meaningful support for RK3588 yet???? =o
<Jmabsd>
psydroid: do you make software?
<mps>
Jmabsd: yes, it is slow but it is open which is most important to me
<mps>
Jmabsd: I didn't saw anything rk3588 related in mainline kernel, maybe I didn't looked carefully
<psydroid>
mps, I thought you needed to be a member to get hardware for development purposes
<Jmabsd>
mps: indeed openness key
<psydroid>
Jmabsd, I write some software but I don't have any public projects. I have sometimes contributed patches to certain projects.
<psydroid>
I don't work on Linux or BSD, although I have some (probably outdated) understanding of the Linux kernel.
<mps>
psydroid: I'm alpine linux latest stable kernel maintainer, u-boot maintainer (also u-boot for riscv) and openSBI maintainer
<mps>
probably because of my work to port alpine to riscv they offered board to me, free of any money
<psydroid>
mps, you're a pro and I'm just a minion
<psydroid>
yeah, probably
<psydroid>
(just kidding)
<mps>
psydroid: no, I'm not pro, just love to play and learn
<mps>
psydroid: ofc, when I have free time
<psydroid>
I did get a lemote fuloong for porting software back in the day
<psydroid>
in my case I just haven't applied for a board yet and worked with QEMU so far to get more familiar with the instruction set
<psydroid>
I want to learn more about floating point and vector instructions as well as the compressed instruction set
<mps>
psydroid: also I use qemu for riscv, some time ago I wrote two short guides to install it in qemu https://arvanta.net/alpine/
<psydroid>
mps, that's great, if you have a toolchain, that's all I really need to compile and test system-level software
<psydroid>
I also need to become more familiar with user-level emulation
<Jmabsd>
psydroid: p,m
<psydroid>
hvala na informaciji
<mps>
psydroid: hah :)
<mps>
psydroid: sorry for curiosity, but where you live. don't answer if you don't want
<mps>
psydroid: нема на чему ;)
<mps>
sorry to other people here
<psydroid>
mps, I live in the Netherlands
<psydroid>
I was in Serbia for a week a few years ago
<mps>
heh, coincidence again, my biggest client is in NL and I have some good friends there
<psydroid>
yeah, don't worry :)
<psydroid>
we'll stick to English
<mps>
sure
<mps>
I visited few times NL but loooong ago, very kind people are these Dutchmans
<psydroid>
yeah, I guess it's the general outlook on things
<mps>
ime, kindest people in europe, at least west europe (I didn't visited any eastern europe country yet)
<psydroid>
when I went to Serbia there were a few other people from the Netherlands who I met
<mps>
actually yes, I know few people here whose ancestors settled here before WWII
<mps>
I mean, from NL
<mps>
they are fourth to sixth generation but still have Dutch names
<psydroid>
oh, that's interesting
<mps>
psydroid: but we are really OT now, I don't like to disturb other people here
<psydroid>
well, I don't have any Dutch name, because my ancestors are from India
<psydroid>
mps, sure, let's talk about Rockchips
<psydroid>
in Serbia :)
<mps>
?
<mps>
afaik not much rockchip SBCs are sold in serbia, most popular are worst ones, i.e. RPi ;)
<mps>
btw, some time ago I read in IT news that apple hiring riscv developers, and intel also
<mps>
psydroid: may I pm you
<psydroid>
I knew it would be a very short conversation on that topic :)
<psydroid>
yeah, I know
<mps>
ii was :)
<mps>
s/ii/it/
<psydroid>
mps, sure
<mps>
psydroid: `12:52 -!- [platinum.libera.chat] psydroid You must log into your NickServ account to message this user`
<mps>
but I think you can PM me because I'm registered on nickserv
<Jmabsd>
A bit of Mediatek gossip, their highest-end MT8195 chip will normally have the PCIe dedicated to the *wifi* apparently. No hope for M.2 slots. And the RAM cap is 8GB he says on channel there. So there is a certain vibe to it that it won't be used for very powerful computing.
<Jmabsd>
Interesting that Rockchip with RK3588 are so much "ahead".
<Jmabsd>
Also thanks for pointing out that the Allwinner A200 will be interesting.
<Jmabsd>
Also release date of Mediatek MT8195 is unknown and it will only be in Chromebooks. (Perhaps due to MOQ limit that keeps SBC makers away perhaps. But even then the 8GB RAM cap is a bummer and Rockchip is more interesting.) Super niche! ...
<mps>
Jmabsd: PCIe is used for wifi on rk3399 gru-kevin chromebook
<mps>
also, I have mediatek wifi router and it uses PCIe
<psydroid>
mps, oh, I'll try to message you then
<psydroid>
I also fail to message you
<psydroid>
I'll get on IRC my laptop in an hour or so
<mps>
psydroid: yes, it is libera.chat policy to lower spam
<mps>
psydroid: nothing important, just wanted to say to you that I like Hindu culture very much, even tried to learn sanskrit
<psydroid>
mps, Serbian is easier for me because of Hindi and Sanskrit. I also speak some Polish, Ukrainian and Russian.
<psydroid>
and yes, when I was in Belgrade a friend of mine spoke Hindi to me
<mps>
psydroid: yes, serbian is most closest lang to sanskrit of all spoken languages in the world
<mps>
nearly half of the words don't need translation for someone who knows both of them
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<psydroid>
I'm finding that out
<psydroid>
also almost all the people I know who have managed to learn Sanskrit are native speakers of Slavic languages
<mps>
I found by learning sanskrit that I better understand my native (serbian) language and meaning of words, terms and even grammar
<psydroid>
oh, I didn't know it would be that useful for your own language
<psydroid>
but yes, I learned Sanskrit before your language on purpose
<psydroid>
I'm far from done
<mps>
I guess if someone learn sanskrit it would be easy to learn all other so called indo-european languages
<psydroid>
that's true
<mps>
psydroid: ok too much OT, but do you know by chance where is located holly mountain Meru, but really
<psydroid>
mps, sure, I will join this channel on IRC and we can talk there in pm whenever you want. This is the first time I've heard of Mount Meru.
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<Jmabsd>
mps,psydroid,macc24,wens,vagrantc: hmmm Phytium hhmmm, someone on #armbian mentioned
<vagrantc>
no idea
<mps>
also I first time see this
<Jmabsd>
the guy said "oh i had this hesitation, shall I get the LX2 because it's so wow but costly. Or should I get the Phytium, hm hm Phytium hm, very good" lol
<Jmabsd>
I was like, Phytium? heh.
<psydroid>
Jmabsd, yes, the Box86/64 developer uses that hardware
<Jmabsd>
psydroid: Is this a super awesome ARM64?
<psydroid>
slowly but surely the hardware we want is becoming available in spite of industry forces rather than because of those
<psydroid>
Jmabsd, it isn't, not yet at least
<psydroid>
I don't know what it takes for super awesome ARM64 to become available at reasonable prices
<psydroid>
but I know they should hurry before it's all going to be RISC-V
<Jmabsd>
mm
<vagrantc>
hurry, as in sometime in the next 20-30 years?