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<midfavila> might have just found myself a job as a sysadmin. woo.
* midfavila does jazz hands
<necromansy> ayy
<necromansy> potential congrats
<midfavila> very much potential. it's to help with a startup my friends are involved in
<midfavila> flop or no, it'll be money and experience.
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<rio6> $$
<midfavila> more like $
<midfavila> maybe like, $/2
<midfavila> one half-money
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<testuser[m]_> hi
<midfavila> ih
<midfavila> behold
<midfavila> the improvededer string reverser
<midfavila> ...I actually kind of hate this one. >.<
<midfavila> it's so ugly
<midfavila> the worst part is that it's *still* not technically fulfilling exercise 1-19
<midfavila> because it handles the entire buffer at once, instead of one line at a time. but that should be trivial to fix.
<schillingklaus> dylin should fix it?
<midfavila> wat
<rio6> took me a while to realize what gnirts is
<midfavila> it's string reversed
<midfavila> :3
<midfavila> originally string's position was referred to with an integer b, and gnirts was referred to with integer d
<midfavila> because I'm just so gosh dang clever.
<rio6> ngl I love these fun things with variable names
* midfavila nods
<rio6> thread a: while(1) { dog.feed(); do_stuff(); }
<rio6> thread b: while(1) { if(dog.hungry()) kill_owner(dog); sleep() }
<rio6> I did something like that
<necromansy> im getting real "programmer ad code" vibes
<midfavila> ...from my program?
<midfavila> i'm almost offended
<necromansy> nah just from the conversation about var names
<necromansy> :>
<midfavila> I was gonna say.
<midfavila> see, if you're gonna name your variables something non-generic, it has to be *clever*
<midfavila> real programmer ads name their variables using unicode or emojis or some bullshit.
<necromansy> i write mine to be pragmatic usually
<rio6> const int ONE = 1;
<rio6> const int TWO = ONE + ONE;
<midfavila> well, pragmatism over everything else
<necromansy> b_x_gse for an x component of a magnetic field in a GSE coordinate system
<midfavila> but I think gnirts[] is more descriptive than s2[]
<midfavila> s2 is... a second string. woop de doo.
<necromansy> str_rev
<midfavila> meh
<midfavila> gnirts is shorter and adds personality.
<necromansy> and is a nightmare to read quickly
<midfavila> meh
<necromansy> but you do you m8
<midfavila> I don't intend to write programs for other people
<midfavila> so maximizing readability isn't like
<midfavila> super high on my list of priorities
<rio6> node->head = head;
<necromansy> this is a fair call
<rio6> node->tail = tail;
<rio6> node->left_hand = left_hand;
<midfavila> as long as *I* can read and understand it, I don't really care how far it deviates from what mr. thought leader has declared
<rio6> node->right_big_toe = right_big_toe;
<rio6> linked list 101
<midfavila> I haven't learned about pointers yet aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<midfavila> stop trying to TEACH me things
<necromansy> ah pointers
<midfavila> i'm trying to solve every single exercise in K&R, but also every single general problem they present
<midfavila> so any time they say "X program might look like...", I try to write my own version and then compare the result (once it works) so I can see where I might improve
<necromansy> good thinking
<midfavila> as a result, I'm still stuck in chapter one.
<midfavila> HOWEVER
<schillingklaus> pointers are the beginning and the end of C
<midfavila> I'm a fucking *master* at declaring variables
<necromansy> im planning on going through K&R while also porting my analysis scripts into C code
<necromansy> for shits and gigs
<midfavila> i just want to write utility software
<midfavila> to replace some of the cruftier tools I use
<midfavila> having a not-shit terminal is high on my priority list, for example
<necromansy> what you using currently?
<midfavila> xterm
<midfavila> xterm is comfy, since it has basically zero latency, but it's clunky and has so many weird and unneeded features
<midfavila> urxvt is less comfy, and has a little latency, but it's also clunky and has many unneeded features
<necromansy> st isnt too bad and i havent really noticed problems with latency
<midfavila> st is, no joke, probably among the worst terminals I've used.
<necromansy> lmao yeah?
<midfavila> imho,
<midfavila> scrolling should be part of the terminal itself.
<schillingklaus> rxvt is vastly superior
<midfavila> and the argument of "just apply the patches bro"
<midfavila> only works when there are no updates.
<midfavila> schillingklaus it's not hard to be better than xterm or st
<midfavila> that's like saying "xterm is better than VTE"
<midfavila> like yeah, but that's only because VTE is ass
<necromansy> yeah im not a huge fan of the patch system because updates break them
<necromansy> i know thats a risk but i feel like if you're writing a program to be patched on the user end
<necromansy> you'd make it more friendly
<midfavila> if I were to implement a terminal, it would be both extremely minimal and also focus on strong basics
<midfavila> somewhere between st and xterm
<rio6> I was surprised that xterm can display image
<midfavila> xterm can do a *lot*
<necromansy> im torn on sixel support
<necromansy> its cool
<midfavila> like, it's actually hilarious how impressive xterm is
<necromansy> but also kinda
<necromansy> bloat?
<midfavila> xterm is 50k+ lines
<midfavila> you're stuck with bloat either way
<necromansy> yeah ofc
<midfavila> but among terminals it's probably the best.
<midfavila> again, not saying much.
<midfavila> i've tried most terminals around, and they always have one or two dealbreakers
<midfavila> ...or they're just stupid.
<rio6> "gpu accelerated terminal"
<midfavila> like kitty.
<necromansy> so many of the alternative terminals these days are heavily feature-focused
<necromansy> yeaaaaah
<midfavila> kitty makes me want to kill myself
<midfavila> "Written in Rust, made with love!"
<midfavila> :rocket::rocket::rocket:
<midfavila> >100+ mb just to draw text
<midfavila> absolutely haram.
<testuser[m]_> kitty is in python
<testuser[m]_> even worse
<midfavila> ...is it???
<testuser[m]_> some C restu pyyhon
<midfavila> ew
<midfavila> yeah, the only thing I would want in a terminal is like
<midfavila> optoinal scrollback, unicode support(maybe), ttf support, and xembed support
<rio6> what's xembed
<midfavila> as well as the minimum viable subset of VT100 to maintain compatibility.
<midfavila> xembed is a protocol that allows you to embed X clients inside of each other
<midfavila> suckless tabbed is a good example of XEmbed in use
<midfavila> but yeah, a terminal has no place managing tabs
<midfavila> tabbing is the job of either the window manager, multiplexer, or tab interface.
<midfavila> ...oh!
<rio6> spawning another terminal is faster than using tabs :P
<midfavila> another thing I would do is add an easy way to connect the terminal directly to a device node
<midfavila> no point in using a program like picocom or minicom to emulate a terminal... inside of your terminal.
<schillingklaus> i need complete keyboard controllability of terminals.
<midfavila> use a multiplexer then, fivehead.
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<midfavila> rio6 ultimately when I write my terminal it's going to be about user choice.
<midfavila> not in like, a meme way
<midfavila> where it's 1000mb to open and everything is written in a scripting language
<midfavila> or it's useless out of the box and impossible to hack on yourself
<midfavila> just a simple, clean, solid terminal.
<midfavila> anyway, it's just after one. I need to sleep
<rio6> night
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<riteo> good morning!
<sad_plan> good morning C:
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<cy6x> Hi all
<cy6x> I'm trying to install sway on gkisslinux, but when I install the freetype-harfbuzz package, I get the error
<cy6x> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lharfbuzz
<cy6x> Help please
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<test10> test
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<testuser[m]_> you mean when building freetype-harfbuzz ? cy6x
<cy6x> Yes
<cy6x> Sorry, I forgot say that I am using your personal repo "kiss-repo" with wayland packages
<testuser[m]_> looks like i got the same issue, lemme check
<cy6x> Ok
<testuser[m]_> just remove "-lharfbuzz" from line 47, and only keep the -L part
<testuser[m]_> seems to work fine without
<cy6x> Oh, I compiled https://github.com/harfbuzz/harfbuzz and everything now build without errors. I suggest adding the harfbuzz package to the freetype-harfbuzz dependencies or remove flag "-lharfbuzz"
<cy6x> Ok, thank you :)
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<cy6x> I enabled "nvidia-drm", added "export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/tmp" to the .profile, but sway won't start: https://pastebin.com/CmkKvgjK
<cy6x> :(
<testuser[m]_> modprobe nvidia-drm modeset=1
<testuser[m]_> doing this ?
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<cy6x> Yes, nvidia-drm is enabled
<testuser[m]_> ah also you need to enable the seatd service
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<cy6x_> I ran "ln -s /etc/sv/seatd /var/service", rebooted the pc, but it still gives me an error (sway --my-next-gpu-wont-be-nvidia"
<testuser[m]_> the same one ?
<cy6x_> Yes
<cy6x_> pgrep seatd => 288
<cy6x_> It works, apparently
<testuser[m]_> does this work
<testuser[m]_> cc drm.c $(pkg-config --libs --cflags libdrm)
<testuser[m]_> oh you got it working ?
<cy6x_> /dev/dri/card0: Permission denied
<cy6x_> May be this problem of permissions
<testuser[m]_> if this doesn't work then sway wont either
<testuser[m]_> you're in the video group?
<cy6x_> No, I'll add it now
<testuser[m]_> yeah it should work then
<testuser[m]_> be sure to relogin
<cy6x_> groups => cy6x video
<cy6x_> /dev/dri/card0: Permission denied
<cy6x_> still
<testuser[m]_> you sure you passed the modeset=1 parameter to modeprobe and not just nvidia-drm ?
<testuser[m]_> modprobe
<testuser[m]_> yeah passing modeset=1 as modprobe config/kernel paramater didnt work but it worked if i added it manually to the modprobe command
<testuser[m]_> you just need to modprobe nvidia-drm modeset=1, it'll load everything else too
<cy6x_> Ok, I ran the command, started sway, but it won't start like here: https://pastebin.com/DhqTzujK
<testuser[m]_> weird, did you rmmod everything first ? does the drm.c program work ? also send the log with sway --debug
<cy6x_> dmesg | grep drm: https://pastebin.com/fqZZib1n
<cy6x_> Ok
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<cy6x_> Found 0 GPUs, hm..
<testuser[m]_> as i said you dont need any extra modprobes, add the paramater with a space instead of '.'
<testuser[m]_> just checked it doesnt work with the dot
<cy6x_> Ok
<cy6x_> modprobe nvidia and nvidia_drm, or only nvidia?
<testuser[m]_> just this in /etc/rc.d/modules.boot
<testuser[m]_> (you need to chmod +x files in /etc/rc.d too btw )
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<cy6x> Sorry for the long wait: https://dropmefiles.com/E6IHp
<cy6x> (i rebooted pc)
<testuser[m]_> that link doesnt work
<testuser[m]_> thats some progress
<cy6x> yeah :)
<testuser[m]_> what gpu do you have ?
<cy6x> gtx 1660 super
<testuser[m]_> hmm
<cy6x> it all worked on archlinux
<cy6x> (with wlroots-eglstreams and without)
<testuser[m]_> can you gdb it and see where the segfault happens
<testuser[m]_> just `gdb /usr/bin/sway` then type `run --arg1 --arg2`, on segfault `backtrace`
<cy6x> i'm not very good at debugging, but i'll give it a try
<cy6x> ok
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<cy6x> https://my-files.su/78hvgj, and then my pc freezes
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<testuser[m]_> hmm I've no idea about the segfault
<cy6x> maybe i should try installing the system again, but write every command i do and send it to you via pastebin?
<testuser[m]_> no youre setup is fine
<testuser[m]_> your
<cy6x> Anyway, thank you very much for your help
<testuser[m]_> it works completely fine for me, i have pretty much the same gpu as you
<testuser[m]_> np
<cy6x> hmm
<testuser[m]_> if you manage to get a backtrace then let me know
<cy6x> Ok, thanks you again!
<testuser[m]_> ah you can do compile wlroots and sway with debug symbols and then run `ulimit -c unlimited` before sway
<testuser[m]_> it should show a trace
<cy6x> ok, i'll give a try
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<testuser[m]_> you should build them locally and load via LD_PRELOAD
<testuser[m]_> locally means outside a kiss package
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<kiedtl> Is k1sslinux.org registered under dilyn's name?
<kiedtl> the freenode ops are asking for a TXT record to be added to the domain as a verification code
<kiedtl> err, libera :C
<acheam> kiedtl: yes
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<midfavila> koos loonix
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<midfavila> dude I'm gonna lose my fucking mind
<midfavila> I thought 1-19 was going to be *trivial*
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<midfavila> "print input, one reversed line at a time" they said
<midfavila> "just write a function to reverse it" they said. it's easier to do everything in main(). . -.
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<eyepatchOwl> What's the song of the day? Broken link for me.
<testuser[m]_> change inv.something to invidious.snopyta.org
<eyepatchOwl> Nice. I approve. :D
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<kiedtl> acheam: Ah, then I'll have to wait until Dilyn shows up :v
<kiedtl> Come back, slacker!
<kiedtl> Such a lazy BDFL!
<midfavila> bad dictator for life
<midfavila> smh
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<nerditup-> | All hail the power of Red Hat
<nerditup-> :D
<kiedtl> :^)))
<midfavila> heil IBM?
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<eyepatchOwl> nerditup what's the red hat meme?
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<eyepatchOwl> nerditup-:
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<nerditup-> Ah my username changed after Libera disconnected/reconnected me
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<midfavila> fucking christ, this is so awful
<midfavila> but at least it satisfies the requirements for 1-19 exactly...
<riteo> yeah it's weird
<riteo> You'll surely get more elegant with time though
<midfavila> "weird" is a polite way to put it
<riteo> I mean, it works
<riteo> that's all that matters in the end
<midfavila> eeeeeeeeeeeh.
<riteo> it'd be awful if it worked 1/3 of the time
<midfavila> honestly, the annoying part is the *specific* requirement that it operate per-line
<midfavila> that's why the ugly while-if statement in main() is there. but at this point I'm just gonna shove this somewhere and not think about it again
<riteo> yeah, just go on and keep going
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<midfavila> Mm. All I need to do now is work on 1-18, and then I can move on to section 1.10 and its exercises...
<midfavila> ...which includes a syntax checker. wh-
<midfavila> ...
<midfavila> nope. this can wait for another day.
<riteo> b r u h
<midfavila> like...
<midfavila> the best method *I* could think of would be to include variables for each particular symbol you're checking
<midfavila> ideally a boolean, or a could chars if you wanted to do some bit-fiddling
<midfavila> s/could/couple/
<midfavila> what the fuck, me...
<midfavila> but yeah, flip the bit when you encounter an opening character, flip it back when you encounter a closed. if there are any non-zero syntax variables at the end, just report those. maybe count the number of times syntax errors are found....
* midfavila shrugs
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<riteo> mhh that sounds interesting
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<testuser[m]_> test
<kiedtl> failed
<testuser[m]_> nice
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<nerditup-> What are some KISS principled alternatives to Drone for CI?
<nerditup-> I'm thinking of setting up some simple git hooks
<acheam> testuser[m]_: the underscore is back!
<testuser[m]_> acheam: my homeserver is still broken lol
<acheam> :(
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<illiliti> nerditup-: sr.ht
<acheam> nerditup-: 2 options come to mind, builds.sr.ht and just hacky thing using ssh and local git hooks
<acheam> sr.ht is not simple to administer though, but I think nerditup- is experienced in that field
<acheam> you need postgres, 2 redis instances, a mail server, and a reverse proxy
<acheam> and wsgi
<testuser[m]_> not all of that is necessary right ?
<acheam> it is
<testuser[m]_> what if you dont need the ML
<acheam> you still need transactional mail for accounts and stuff
<acheam> oh and a cron daemon
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<eyepatchOwl> midfavila: What are you working through?
<testuser[m]_> k&r
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<kiedtl> phoebos: regarding the public logs, have you tried using CGI to automatically generate the HTML?
<acheam> kiedtl: I'd think ctrl-c.club wouldn't support CGI
<acheam> does tilde.team?
<nerditup-> Sounds like I should self host a sr.ht build instance! Thanks friends
<acheam> good luck
<kiedtl> acheam: tilde.team does, I'm not sure about ctrl-c.club :v
<acheam> ah nice
<acheam> envs doesn't AFAICT
<kiedtl> Ctrl-C should have PHP, at the very least
<kiedtl> but...
<acheam> spinning something up quickly on my server
<kiedtl> nvm actually, I hear you shouldn't use PHP unless you have anti-seizure medication handy
<acheam> will work on having it parse the url
<kiedtl> oh nice
<kiedtl> is that just an experiment or will it stay there?
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<acheam> kiedtl: probably will stay there, but until I make any further annoucements don't rely on it or the URL format or anything
<acheam> zr:
<acheam> it turns out my client doesn't display nick changes
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<zr> ah
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<andrey> Is there a way to configure irc so that it doesnt show my ip to the whole world?
<acheam> yes, you need a cloak
<acheam> there is some channel you can join to get one automatically, I think #libera-cloak or something
<acheam> we might also be giving out kisslinux cloaks, but we are waiting on libera to get back to us
<cem> Isn't that contrary to the point of cloaks?
<cem> To show affiliation, that is
<zr> cloaks are to show affiliation, unless it's a user cloak
<zr> andrey: join #libera-cloak, and type "!cloakme"
<andrey> Thank you all, I will try libera-cloak then
<cem> Yeah, I just said it as an answer to giving out kisslinux cloaks
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<zr> acheam: they did, but I'm waiting for dilyn to show up so that I can badger him for the TXT records they want :v
<acheam> zr: *facepalm*
<acheam> i talked with you about that this morning and already forgot lol
<zr> heh
<acheam> re user cloaks: lots of projects give them out to users, not just developers
<acheam> i don't see the harm in giving out kisslinux/user/* cloaks
<acheam> if people would like them over a standard unnafiliated cloak
<cem> Oh yeah, I'm dumb
<zr> I don't think dilyn cares about what kind of cloaks we give out
<june> so you can show everyone you love to kiss linux
<zr> heh
<zr> How do you define a KISS developer, though?
<zr> Is it someone who maintains a community package?
<zr> Or someone who's contributed to the kiss package manager?
<zr> Or just has to make regular contributions to a KISS repo?
<cem> just dilyn
<cem> :D
<zr> Or maybe just the KISS Elite(tm)
<zr> achëam, dilyn, mcpc, testusr, and of course me
<acheam> you don't have to umlaut it lol
<acheam> i'm looking at my irc client
<acheam> i dont mind the ping
<june> the ones who have not only kissed linux, but gone to second base with linux
<zr> Maybe we can give out developer cloaks to those who maintain at least X packages in community
<zr> acheam: ah, ok
<zr> but then I wouldn't be able to get one :C
<zr> and I'm the GC!
<acheam> but then mid wouldn't get one, and I'd think that they otherwise would be in the same teir
<acheam> lol
<acheam> we can all just get user cloaks
<zr> kisslinux/foo
<acheam> and dilyn can get bdfl
<zr> That's what we did last time
<acheam> yeah that works
<zr> err, not the bdfl
<acheam> unless dilyn wan'ts to be seperate
<acheam> ye
<acheam> speaking of which
<acheam> he's taking a real lazy saturday, eh?
<zr> indeed
<zr> cancel this bastard >:C
<cem> doas rm -rf dilyn
<zr> saturday is the only day I get to do anything other than a random side project, lol
<acheam> rm: can't remove 'dilyn': No such file or directory
<zr> speaking of which, he doesn't seem to be looking at GitHub pr's either
<zr> there's a 7-day-old PR waiting
<acheam> spam the ML
<zr> I wonder if he has applied the patches I sent him in March
<zr> before the ML was setup
<acheam> git log?
<cem> $ curl -Lo dilyn dylanaraps
<zr> He hasn't, smh
<cem> zr: Send it to the mailing list
<zr> Yeah, I'll do that on monday, maybe
<zr> Or now, to add to the barrage of notifications
<cem> He'll eventually give up and come back!
<acheam> curl: no URL specified!
<acheam> curl: try 'curl --help' for more information
<cem> Pff, try actually running that
<cem> It would try to resolve
<cem> :P
<zr> curl: (6) Could not resolve host: dylanaraps
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<acheam> why does busybox date suck?
<acheam> in other news, https://irclogs.armaanb.net is up
<june> date in url doesn't seem to work?
<acheam> uh thats embarrasing
<acheam> one sec
<acheam> okie fixed now
<acheam> it might be broken for a sec as I play around with it
<june> so there's now, what, 3 different places with logs of the channel? :P
<acheam> uh
<acheam> yes
<acheam> plus private logs
<june> 4
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<zr> Yes, four places, lol
<zr> I've made a PR to add these locations to the website
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<acheam> zr: cool thanks
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<midfavila> eyepatchOwl K&R
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<dilynm> I've been unwinding this weekend, sorry lads
<dilynm> What txt record do you need?
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<midfavila> fucking disgusting dilynm
<midfavila> back in the wage cage
<midfavila> $EMPLOYER has dictated that your weekend is over.
<dilynm> I'm taking a 2 week vacation starting Tuesday and I have Monday off :v
<midfavila> not any more, you don't
* midfavila cracks the whip
<dilynm> And my girlfriend is out of town for the next three weeks or so. I'll be around for a while lmfao
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<cem> riteo: epic
<riteo> yes
<midfavila> i concur, epic is a fantastic client.
<riteo> what, no
<riteo> it's just an epic moment
<midfavila> too late, riteo
<riteo> NOOOOOOO
* riteo dies
<midfavila> i've already intentionally misinterpreted your statement
<midfavila> now you shall forever be known as the epic appreciator.
<riteo> you monster
<midfavila> finally, someone respects my species identity
<midfavila> take notes, dilynm
<cem> Humanity needs to be destroyed
<midfavila> this but unironically
<riteo> yes
<midfavila> giant meteor 2024 let's goooooooooooooooooooo
<cem> Why wait three years
<midfavila> to cause maximum chaos
<riteo> give it time, it'll come
<midfavila> I do recall reading that humanity is overdue for a particularly bad solar flare.
<cem> Ah yes after covid 22
<cem> I could think of an original disease outbreak, but I didn't
<riteo_> nice
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<riteo_> nice
<cem> riteo_: are you sure it's not
<cem> epic?
<riteo_> you're right
<riteo_> it's
<riteo_> epic
<midfavila> i hate this channel sometimes
<midfavila> smh
<riteo_> yes
<riteo_> best channel ever
<midfavila> "whoa dude epic man"
<cem> whoa mid that's an epic statement
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<riteo_> word of the day epic when
<riteo_> bye me
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<riteo> epic
<midfavila> i'm going to bed
<midfavila> uwu
<cem> epic
<riteo> bye!
<cem> bye midfavila have epic dreams
<midfavila> can't handle this zoomerism
<riteo> epic
<cem> that's not poggers of you
<riteo> that's very cringe mid
<riteo> not based at al
<riteo> s/al/all/
<cem> that's some antibased boomer cringe fam
<cem> I hate myself