00:22 <lle_bout[m]> esden (@_discord_269693955338141697:catircservices.org) finally congrats huge props to you for all this hard work all those years and not giving up!

00:22 <lle_bout[m]> * giving up! taking the financial hit from covid and all and still not giving up, huge props!

00:22 <esden[m]> lle_bout (@_discord_490279792831365181:catircservices.org) Thanks! We will prevail! ✊ 😄

00:23 <mtnrbq[m]> Woo hoo! - got a shipping update from CrowdSupply - thank you and the team so much for powering on through !

00:23 <whitequark[cis]> turns out being not in hong kong when hong kong closes borders becomes a problem (although i might not've survived at all otherwise...)

00:24 <lle_bout[m]> I know 😦 I'm sorry for that too - huge props for managing to stay alive 😭

00:24 <whitequark[cis]> it was an interesting time

01:10 <esden[m]> For anyone on the other communication platforms. I just got this message from CS: "the orders have been prepped at Mouser so customers will need to contact CS support for their address to be changed" I bet it applies only to the first 260 general Glasgows though. So not everyone will be affected by this.

01:18 <josHua[m]> any way of knowing who the chosen 260 are?

01:48 <esden[m]> Afaik the 260 chosen ones might have already gotten a shipping notification. But I am not 100% sure.

01:49 <esden[m]> Another guess is that, if you can still change your address you are not the chosen one. 😄

01:49 <esden[m]> The change button is not there otherwise.

01:49 <Xesxen> Mine's showing "This order is being processed. To change the shipping address, please contact support as soon as possible."

01:50 <Xesxen> no confirmation though

03:14 <esden[m]> Ok, I guess this is what you should expect then if your order will ship as part of the current batch.

03:59 <chipb> I've got the same, but it also says "Estimated to ship: Apr 30, 2024", so dunno.

04:40 <esden[m]> Ohh humm. In that case I am not sure what the deal is... :/

04:41 <esden[m]> I guess the best thing is to just wait and see. 😅

04:44 <chipb> I'm pretty good at that. I've gotten lots of practice. :-P

04:45 <chipb> awesome update today. I bet it feels great to make such a huge chunk of progress.

04:48 <esden[m]> Yeah, as always: sorry... and thanks for all the patience. 🙂

04:48 <esden[m]> Having the in house production up and running finally is quite a relief.

04:51 <chipb> yeah, it seems really cool. manufacturing physical goods seems like such a pain in the ass.

05:17 <esden[m]> It is a pain, but it is also rewarding. Something you can hold is somewhat easier to explain than an abstract software concept.

05:17 <esden[m]> But it depends too. 😄

05:30 <omnitechnomancer> I do like the look of the through hole soldering jigs

07:46 <galibert[m]> esden: nice update, congrats :-)

07:52 <ewenmcneill[m]> In case it helps anyone my second Glasgow order (cases; second day of campaign) now shows "This order is being processed", and has an invoice number just over 640 invoices higher than my earlybird order (which shipped last year). Invoice number of the second order is a bit over 109700 (and those invoices numbers are presumably site wide).

07:53 <ewenmcneill[m]> And that order still shows "Estimated to ship May 2024" (two different days for cases and board, despite them telling me they don't do split shipments any more 😀 )

10:23 <jamie3456[m]> Has anyone done a small glasgow production run recently and have any tips on acquiring the components? as soon as i get my hands on my personal glasgow in a couple months, i know i'm gonna wanna have one for use at work, so i'm thinking the smart move is probably to do a batch of 5 or so myself…

10:23 <jamie3456[m]> I see the SP3012-06UTG ESD diode is obsolete and unavailable at mouser+digikey – anyone had good luck with other sellers, or is there a drop-in replacement part?

10:24 <jamie3456[m]> * at work, and I have a bunch of friends who missed out on ordering until now, so i'm

10:27 <jamie3456[m]> * Has anyone done a small glasgow production run recently and have any tips on acquiring the components? as soon as i get my hands on my personal glasgow in a couple months, i know i'm gonna wanna have one for use at work, and I have a bunch of friends who missed out on ordering until now, so i'm thinking the quickest move is probably to do a batch of 5 or so myself…

10:27 <jamie3456[m]> I see the SP3012-06UTG ESD diode is obsolete and unavailable at mouser+digikey – anyone had good luck with other sellers, or is there a drop-in replacement part?

10:31 <jamie3456[m]> * Has anyone done a small glasgow production run recently and have any tips on acquiring the components? as soon as i get my hands on my personal glasgow in a couple months, i know i'm gonna wanna have one for use at work, and I have a bunch of friends who missed out on ordering until now, so i'm thinking the quickest move is probably to do a batch of 5 or so myself…

10:31 <jamie3456[m]> I see the SP3012-06UTG ESD diode is obsolete and unavailable at mouser+digikey – anyone had good luck with other sellers, or with a drop-in replacement part?

10:43 <hn3000[m]> I'd love to solder the through hole parts myself, if that was an option ... or do you need to have them soldered for testing? (And I totally get that the logistics of providing this option might completely cancel out any time savings, just wanted to throw this out in case it could help.)

11:02 <jamie3456[m]> (TI advertises TPD6E05U06RVZR as a drop-in replacement - idk enough about the part to understand if the specs are as good, but to my untrained eye it looks like it'll get roughly the same job done)

11:02 <jamie3456[m]> s/the/ESD/, s/part/protection/

11:03 <Wanda[cis]> <hn3000[m]> "I'd love to solder the through..." <- `glasgow selftest` does require connecting things to the pin headers

11:06 <theorbtwo[m]> Hm, in theory, you could use a pogo-pin jig or similar to do that testing, but it's probably a bit late for that?

12:12 <q3k> jamie3456[m]:i think i ended up getting my hands on SP3012-06UTG somehow while stile making my batch

12:12 <q3k> jamie3456[m]: but octopart recommends the TPD6E05U06 as a pin-for-pin compatible replacement

12:12 <q3k> or, you know, just skip them :^)

12:13 <q3k> well, recommends, recommends by way of sponsorship from TI

12:13 <jamie3456[m]> yeah thats what i saw too :^)

12:15 <jamie3456[m]> now to carefully split the BOM between mouser and digikey so I qualify for free shipping on both hehe

12:26 <q3k> have you managed to source magenta LEDs from either of them?

12:26 <q3k> i ended up ordering what was on the original BOM from TME, because that was the only distributor at the time that carried them

12:40 <jamie3456[m]> nah TME is still the only distributor for the exact one

12:40 <jamie3456[m]> iirc there was a lot of effort put in to find a perfect colour match & resistor value, not gonna risk a substitute

12:41 <jamie3456[m]> tme is down for maintenance though

12:42 <jamie3456[m]> the other tricky parts i encountered were JF4024M00009T8188070, the 24MHz oscillator, which used to be LCSC-only and now is ~nowhere - substituted the first part on mouser which claimed to be 3225/24MHz/10ppm/9pF, TSX-3225 24.0000MF20G-AC3

12:44 <jamie3456[m]> and the BL24C256A-SFRC eeprom, which was also lcsc-only and now zero stock, which i've ordered from an aliexpress listing

12:44 <jamie3456[m]> oh and the 10k resistors which don't have a part number in the bom csv, i matched the same yaego specs as all the other resistor values

12:44 <jamie3456[m]> s/10k/1k/

12:50 <q3k> i used the BL24C256A-SFRC but it was stupidly expensive

12:50 <q3k> ah no, that's the extended price, then no, it wasn't terrible ($.20)

13:41 <jamie3456[m]> i wonder if there's a specific pcb thickness to pick for compatibility with the aluminium cases

13:53 <thestumbler[m]> This may be old news to you guys, but as I was reading your latest update and the remarks about hand soldering thru hole connectors.

13:55 <thestumbler[m]> I ran into this awhile back for a small quantity. I also hand soldered. But I researched it and discovered there is a product that is basically small donuts of solder. These are meant to make this kind of soldering go quicker. Just FYI in case it might come in helpful

14:01 <thestumbler[m]> Here’s an old link to identify the product

14:01 <thestumbler[m]> https://www.ebay.com/itm/20000-Gardiner-Solder-090-x-045-x-035-Solder-Donuts-/201032898466

14:39 <hambonefakenamin> Hi, thanks for the update.... (full message at <https://catircservices.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/catircservices.org/vnisZcJjjGXQkMyrSzNfYNuq>)

14:40 <whitequark[cis]> not really, you just look at existing applets

14:41 <whitequark[cis]> we're heavily understaffed so don't expect massive improvements to documentation in near future either

14:44 <hambonefakenamin> Thanks. Is the software/firmware for the project in a stable-enough place that its possible to get going by looking at the existing applets?

14:44 <hambonefakenamin> * existing applets, without deep knowledge of the ecosystem?

14:45 <whitequark[cis]> the short answer is mostly yes

14:45 <hambonefakenamin> excellent, thank you 🙂

14:45 <whitequark[cis]> to the extent you'll be missing things (some much needed maintenance of the last ... 3 years of technical debt is happening) we'll just tell you what to do

15:24 <q3k> i've had good luck with building from existing applets, and mostly stumbled upon just the usual Large Python Codebase With No Typing Stuff.

15:25 <q3k> so generally not a bad experience.

15:25 <q3k> (if you're comfortable navigating code instead of documentation to get answers)

15:26 <whitequark[cis]> it's actually kind of worse in that a lot of glasgow abstractions are basically clever prototypes that should've never got into production

15:27 <whitequark[cis]> and it's making fairly heavy use of duck typing that's just not very clear

15:27 <q3k> yeah, but all of that for me falls under the aforementioned Stuff tbh

17:31 <whitequark[cis]> https://www.lcsc.com/product-detail/couch_UTICA-GE70-400-3843_C7526125.html

17:43 <galibert[m]> Does that couch talk pci express?

17:47 <q3k[m]> i will not order the lcsc couch i will not order the lcsc couch i will not order the lcsc couch

17:48 <Wanda[cis]> ... lmao you too

17:49 <Wanda[cis]> (refering to q3k's irc nickname)

17:52 <q3k[cis]> i will certainly not regret having three different IRC sessions to libera

17:52 <Wanda[cis]> same here

17:52 <Wanda[cis]> (at one point I had 4, but then ems bridge disintegrated)

17:53 <Wanda[cis]> (for the exact same reasons, I believe)

19:54 <gruetzkopf> i'm still PCMCIA damaged and read Card Information Structure every. single. time.