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<whitequark[cis]>
<tpw_rules> "only one channel seems quite..." <- I wanted to use it to test an ESC
<whitequark[cis]>
<tpw_rules> "(also fwiw everybody in the..." <- ah this is useful to know
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<Attie[m]>
am I wrong in thinking that some servos have a usable range outside the 1-2ms window?
<Attie[m]>
pretty sure I've come across some, and if so, it seems like that isn't very flexible here
<tpw_rules>
it depends a lot but imho that is a bit inflexible
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<XoD[m]>
Hi, could you please include updates (or the current status) for Glasgow shipments to the EU in the next coordination meeting?
<whitequark[cis]>
that's in 2 hours
<whitequark[cis]>
however this is entirely up to esden; no one else has any insight into it
<Wonka>
.oO( sounds like a bad bus factor... )
<XoD[m]>
Ok, thank you. I wasn't aware the next meeting is about to happen. Any info on this would be appreciated as currently it's not clear (at least to me) whether any Glasgows shipped from Mouser in Europe
<whitequark[cis]>
Wonka: you are more than welcome to start manufacturing devices from the open design files to fulfill customer demand
<Wonka>
whitequark[cis]: a "bus factor" is "how many people can get run over by a bus before the org has a major problem".
<galibert[m]>
Are you early bird?
<whitequark[cis]>
I know
<Wonka>
whitequark[cis]: but I also know that documenting and keeping others up to date takes ressources too...
<XoD[m]>
I am not sure. I asked CrowdSupply and their support said yes, but the CrowdSupply order info page (as shown in the latest Glasgow campaign update) doesn't show the early bird status. I ordered in early 2001 iirc
<XoD[m]>
s/2001/2021/
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<esden[m]>
XoD (@_discord_277098810952384512:catircservices.org) Mouser is regularly shipping to Europe.
<esden[m]>
And those that were early bird backers in Europe, got theirs.
<XoD[m]>
esden (@_discord_269693955338141697:catircservices.org) thanks for the update, I appreciate it.
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<K900>
That's interesting
<K900>
Uhh
<K900>
Because I was early bird and I've got nothing
<K900>
It's probably because Russia
<esden[m]>
did you also have a non early bird item in your order?
<K900>
Nope
<esden[m]>
Yeah if you are in Russia you are out of luck unfortunately.
<K900>
But like
<esden[m]>
There will be no shipments or refunds to Russia at the moment. 😦
<K900>
Are they just going to throw it out or what
<K900>
Cause I could give them an address not in Russia
<K900>
If they asked for one
<K900>
Which they didn't
<esden[m]>
This is unfortunately too late according to Mouser. If you were ever associated with a Russian address they decided to not ship even if you provide a non Russian address.
<K900>
Great
<esden[m]>
Yeah I know 😦
<XoD[m]>
esden (@_discord_269693955338141697:catircservices.org) since you are here, are there any preliminary infos about the next batch of shipments? 😇
<K900>
I'm gonna be honest I expected better from Mouser
<esden[m]>
XoD (@_discord_277098810952384512:catircservices.org) 😦 ... not at the moment
<K900>
Not from you, I get that you are not in control of this, but specifically from Mouser
<galibert[m]>
Mouser probably doesn’t have much choice
<K900>
I've had good experiences with them before the war, but I guess I know where I'm not buying from anymore
<esden[m]>
I appreciate the understanding. Not sure how much of that is them being over cautious, judgmental or forced.
<K900>
galibert[m]: They definitely could have at least informed people
<Wonka>
+1
<esden[m]>
I will talk to Crowd Supply, and ask them to contact all the Russian backers.
<Wonka>
that they could have
<esden[m]>
And tell them what the deal is.
<K900>
Like, they could have asked for a different address and it would have probably been legal
<esden[m]>
that is the minimum that needs to happen.
<K900>
They could have held the orders back until the trade restrictions are lifted, which will probably happen in the next few years, and it would have definitely been legal
<XoD[m]>
Mouser's Help Center doesn't mention "Russia" at all btw.
<esden[m]>
Essentially the orders are on hold as far as I understand. So "if things change" they will ship...
<K900>
Well that's something at least
<K900>
Though I would prefer to have that a) from Mouser, b) in writing and c) not discovered by accident
<esden[m]>
As I said, I will talk to CrowdSupply to contact backers that are in Russia and explain the current situation.
<K900>
Sorry
<K900>
I shouldn't be ranting at you at least
<K900>
It's not your fault and the whole situation is just shit
<XoD[m]>
Interesting. idk how other companies handled it, but I would expect them to be more transparent about the situation.
<esden[m]>
Can't agree more. 😦
<K900>
Also I'm pretty sure ice40 isn't even export restricted, not that they would care
<K900>
esden[m]: But yeah, thanks
<esden[m]>
👍
<K900>
I really hope things change soon...
<K900>
Man living in a collapsing autocracy is fun
<K900>
Every day there's something new and exciting to deal with
<galibert[m]>
Probably requires the war ending, which is a nontrivial proposition
<XoD[m]>
I found something in Mouser's Sale Terms:
<XoD[m]>
>In light of the numerous sanctions imposed upon Russia and Belarus by governments and organizations around the world, Mouser will not ship any Products to Russia, the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine, and Belarus.
<K900>
Wew "Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine"
<K900>
Like at least say "occupied territories"
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<K900>
But nah they won't bother figuring out which territories are even occupied and also Crimea is fine apparently?
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<K900>
OK, sorry, I'm rambling again, I'm gonna stop and go sleep or something
<XoD[m]>
I think the "14.1 Resale/Transfer/Re-Export of Products" is also interesting. Maybe that's why they won't allow people to change their address.
<XoD[m]>
>Customer understands and acknowledges that all Products purchased from Mouser are subject to Trade Control Laws and shall only be resold, transferred, re-exported, or dispositioned in in any other way, in strict compliance with these laws.
<XoD[m]>
>Customer acknowledges Products purchased from Mouser shall may not be brokered transshipped, resold, transferred, re-exported, or dispositioned in in any other way to any company, entity, or person identified by BIS
<K900>
Honestly it's not even about the rules for me
<K900>
Like even if they don't have any literal rule that says so
<K900>
Doing business with a country fighting an aggressive war (on white people, no less!) is toxic either way
<whitequark[cis]>
it's actually just bullshit
<whitequark[cis]>
CrowdSupply was the same way about one of my orders (address previously in russia but not anymore) and they sent it to me after @VioletEternity talked to their support
<whitequark[cis]>
well, she didn't, she wrote an email for me that made them go from "nope" to "yeah we'll ship it in a bit"
<K900>
But just blackholing people's hardware, most if not all of which was never intended for military use, without telling anyone
<K900>
This is bullshit
<K900>
whitequark[cis]: Hm
<K900>
Might be worth trying then
<whitequark[cis]>
let me just show you the specific phrasing
<K900>
Though I'll probably have to get an order number or something out of crowdsupply first
<whitequark[cis]>
... howeeeever I think since then they might have expanded sanctions and CS/Mouser might have such a decision on hand, it's unclear
<whitequark[cis]>
in any case it will be good for you to learn of a named rule which you can then contest
<K900>
Thanks, I guess I'll just reach out to them and ask
<K900>
Couldn't get any worse really
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<K900>
Oh shit
<K900>
I just went to check my shipping address on crowdsupply and it's one I moved from a year ago
<K900>
So yeah I'll definitely have to reach out now
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<bob_twinkles[m]>
It's probably a good idea to drop a note explaining how to update shipping addresses in the next update even for those not getting jerked around by geopolitics
<esden[m]>
bob_twinkles (@_discord_277305331011420161:catircservices.org) I think I mentioned it in the last one. But I will mention it again in the next.
<bob_twinkles[m]>
I entirely forgot and I'm sure I'm not the only one 😅
<esden[m]>
heh, yeah...
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<Attie[m]>
hi all, how are we doing?
<whitequark[cis]>
hi!
<Attie[m]>
fair enough
<whitequark[cis]>
I'm on vacation
<whitequark[cis]>
rethinking my life a little
<whitequark[cis]>
though nothing that relates to work or projects
<Attie[m]>
wanting to talk, or are you taking some down time?
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<esden[m]>
FWIW I don't have any profound updates at the moment.
<Attie[m]>
understood, thanks for letting us know!