00:26 <sierrasheher[m]> > it works both ways

00:26 <sierrasheher[m]> This is actually what introduced us to Glasgow - a friend told us about “this cool dev board with trans pride LEDs”

00:27 <sierrasheher[m]> ofc it’s so much more than that and we got rather excited 🙂

00:28 <Darius> haha that is cute

05:34 <sierrasheher[m]> On that note, is there a place where work is being done on future, network connected, revisions of Glasgow is being done? Or is that kind of “on hold until current state of the project is more stable” thing?

05:39 <sorear> revE (ecp5/fx3/ethernet) was definitely discussed here years ago, but afaik it's on hold due to everything

06:07 <whitequark[cis]> it's not so much "on hold" as "not planned to start until we ship revC"

06:07 <whitequark[cis]> i.e. there was no work that started and then got paused; no meaningful work has ever been done or planned

06:16 <cyborgar> it would be nice if it was based on the colorlight i5

06:17 <cyborgar> cheap and available https://tomverbeure.github.io/2021/01/22/The-Colorlight-i5-as-FPGA-development-board.html

06:20 <whitequark[cis]> no I don't think I'm going to do that

06:21 <whitequark[cis]> for revE I'm going to want at least as much control over what we ship as for the previous revisions

06:22 <whitequark[cis]> not really interested in depending on random third party boards

07:04 <sierrasheher[m]> ahh that all seems very reasonable!

07:56 <vegard_e[m]> the colorlight i5 is convenient for one offs, but it doesn't really have any advantages in volume, leaving you only with the disadvantages which are also significant

07:58 <galibert[m]> won't future revisions need a beefier fpga than a ecp5, and least for pin count?

07:58 <whitequark[cis]> ecp5 has a pretty high pin count?

07:59 <galibert[m]> isn't only one left in the current glasgow?

07:59 <whitequark[cis]> we use an ice40 right now

07:59 <galibert[m]> oh

07:59 <galibert[m]> not sure why I thought you were ecp5 already, sorry

07:59 <whitequark[cis]> ecp5 has up to 365 i/o

07:59 <whitequark[cis]> that's... enough

07:59 <galibert[m]> yeah, it is

07:59 <whitequark[cis]> (in a massive 27x27mm package)

09:54 <omnitechnomancer> Yea, they are kind of helpful for one offs or like things you want a small number of, or maybe designs you want people to be able to build themselves, but if you are manufacturing in volume it likely is just better to buy the parts yourself

15:19 <K900> @Catherine offtopic question: your IRC bridge doesn't work with OFTC, does it?

15:26 <whitequark[cis]> no

15:26 <whitequark[cis]> there should be an official one though

15:26 <whitequark[cis]> run by new vector ltd

15:27 <K900> Yes and it just shit itself

15:27 <K900> Which is why I'm asking

15:28 <whitequark[cis]> it's really remarkable how bad matrix people are at running matrix services, isn't it?

15:28 <whitequark[cis]> but no, I don't feel like being the outsourced branch of new vector ltd

15:29 <whitequark[cis]> any more than I already am, heh

15:29 <galibert[m]> You're probably going to need to stop being competent to have any hope of that

15:30 <K900> Didn't they like

15:30 <K900> Fire most of their ops team a while ago

15:30 <K900> Because yes this is exactly what happens when you fire most of your ops team

16:15 <whitequark[cis]> btw the guy in charge makes about 2x my current salary 🙃