Catherine[m] changed the topic of #glasgow to: digital interface explorer · code https://github.com/GlasgowEmbedded/glasgow · logs https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/glasgow · Matrix #glasgow-interface-explorer:matrix.org · discord https://1bitsquared.com/pages/chat
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<foxsabrina[m]> probably multimeters will be the "smallest" device gpib, everything else i've seen is pretty dense
<Darius> yeah
<foxsabrina[m]> i have one of these i could send which can operate in a device mode https://prologix.biz/product/gpib-usb-controller/
<foxsabrina[m]> they just show up as a serial port and are configurable
<tpw_rules> https://www.testequipmentdepot.com/keysight-agilent-hp-34401a-benchtop-digital-multimeter-6-1-2-digit-refurbished.html this is about the smallest sort of device i can think of with gpib
<tpw_rules> https://www.ebay.com/itm/401758781293 or something like this guy
<tpw_rules> back when it was still called hp-ib :)
<tpw_rules> i also have a lot of gpib equipment and could hook some up to an early bird glasgow
<tpw_rules> the one small nice thing about those ridiculous $1k interfaces is it works with the software too
<whitequark[cis]> <foxsabrina[m]> "i have one of these i could send..." <- this doesn't really help me figuring out if like a normal device will work
<whitequark[cis]> tpw_rules: $625?!
<whitequark[cis]> if you buy it for me, sure :p
<tpw_rules> that second one is only $300!
<tpw_rules> i might be able to sneak something out of our lab. but that's like the size and weight of a typical gpib device IME
<tpw_rules> i do have a full like 20U 19" spectrum analyzer but i think the air freight would be a bit high
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<xabean[m]> > tpw_rules
<xabean[m]> > i might be able to sneak something out of our lab. but that&apos;s like the size and weight of a typical gpib device IME
<xabean[m]> Huh, `&apos;` for tpw_rules, but wq doesn't get the `&apos;` treatment here over on discord, I wonder how that's happening
<SnoopJ> Something to do with the bridging? She's using some of that machinery AFAIK.
<xabean[m]> re: gpib, I think youtube's curiousmarc (who has gobs of HP gear) has experience with gpib
<whitequark[cis]> xabean: tpw_rules is over on IRC
<whitequark[cis]> I'm on Matrix
<xabean[m]> aha that was the context I was missing
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<ewenmcneill[m]> whitequark: As a low priority thing, is there any option for the bridge into Discord to turn the HTML "apos" entities back into actual apostrophes, rather than inline (well formed but shouldn't be in UI) HTML entities? I'm guessing something is, eg, being double escaped, possibly due to the quote character? Possibly being escaped on both sides of the IRC <-> Matrix <-> Discord bridge?
<whitequark[cis]> ewenmcneill: there is no option, it's just a bug
<whitequark[cis]> I will not be fixing this bug
<whitequark[cis]> for reference, this is how the Matrix event looks like:... (full message at <https://catircservices.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/catircservices.org/EbtcWSItgrFHGPuyFGUxRNFy>)
<whitequark[cis]> and here's a similar event for me:... (full message at <https://catircservices.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/catircservices.org/nxWJgrTpaWtRCbJJWCzrKldo>)
<whitequark[cis]> so the bug is in matrix-appservice-irc
<whitequark[cis]> and possibly also matrix-appservice-discord?
<whitequark[cis]> whichever way it is, i will not be fixing bugs like this; i have better things to do. however if some of you fix it and merge it upstream I will deploy it
<ewenmcneill[m]> whitequark: Thanks for investigating, and confirming it's a bug in the upstream software. I do agree there's little point in trying to locally patch such a bug. Hopefully it does get fixed upstream. (I'd wondered if there escape/do-not-escape was a config item. But it seems not, must not fully debugged upstream.)
<whitequark[cis]> do not hope it will get fixed upstream; the upstream explicitly said that they do not and will not dedicate any significant amount of resources to IRC 'because of the french'
<ewenmcneill[m]> sigh
<whitequark[cis]> the reason I run my own bridges in first place isn't actually convenience but the deep organizational failure in New Vector Ltd
<whitequark[cis]> it will not get any better
<whitequark[cis]> you will have to fix it yourself
<whitequark[cis]> having better IRC<>Discord sync is really just a... what's the expression
<whitequark[cis]> a silver lining?
<whitequark[cis]> note, I am not talking about Half-Shot (the bridge author/maintainer) who is just an overworked contributor doing their best. I am talking about the New Vector Ltd management
<ewenmcneill[m]> Having a three way bridge is definitely useful. And this bridge is *by far* the cleanest bridge of the IRC/Matrix/Discord bridges I've seen. Thanks for running it.
<whitequark[cis]> you're welcome
<whitequark[cis]> I do hope it helps bring the community together
<whitequark[cis]> I'm not really willing to have either IRC-side or Discord-side folks feel second-class
<SnoopJ> 🤍
<whitequark[cis]> plus without IRC we would have no logs
<whitequark[cis]> 'cause Discord doesn't exist in long term, and Matrix isn't really archived in a meaningful sense
<ewenmcneill[m]> Yes, one of the reasons I tend to read bridged channels on the Discord side is for the log history. (I mostly don't use Matrix.)
<ewenmcneill[m]> But of course the Discord logs aren't very public 😢
<whitequark[cis]> actually, I guess the Matrix room is visible over at https://view.matrix.org/room/!EDwUemPmPNSHXcaynd:catircservices.org/ ?
<ewenmcneill[m]> Yes, I can load that view.matrix.org page without any Matrix login..
<whitequark[cis]> I don't actually like that too much because if someone posts PII there's no especially good way to remove it
<whitequark[cis]> whereas with my logger I promptly respond to such requests
<ewenmcneill[m]> Yes, that's the unfortunate problem with third party public logging -- if it's posted, it ends up public "forever".
<whitequark[cis]> well
<whitequark[cis]> anything you say anywhere with open attendance gets logged forever
<whitequark[cis]> but with irclog.whitequark.org, it is often the sole place where something ends up being visible
<ewenmcneill[m]> Also FTR, the view.matrix.org view can be scrolled back through ("load older") in chunks; I got back to 2023-08-07 without problems.
<whitequark[cis]> so removing it there means functionally eliminating it
<whitequark[cis]> that it's so old certainly does help
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