<SnoopJ>
"recognizable" as in visually distinct/separable, or as in "I have never seen Glasgow but this icon indicates something about it to me"
<SnoopJ>
?
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<attiegrande[m]>
@zyp ... that is ... something, huh
<SnoopJ>
fiſh
<whitequark[cis]>
it's so weird that @zyp on Discord becomes @vegard_e on Matrix
<attiegrande[m]>
i'd probably go for the former - keep it simple, it might "mean" something if you know the project (and that gives you a head start on interpretation)
<whitequark[cis]>
and yes I meant visually distinct/separable
<attiegrande[m]>
iirc there was an orange and purple logo a while ago... sort of jigsaw-y (nMigen?) ...
<attiegrande[m]>
i don't know the back story, but ... is a *groan* appropriate, now that I see nMigen is under m-labs' github
<whitequark[cis]>
it's actually more complex than that
<attiegrande[m]>
i suspected... sorry if i'm stirring things up
<whitequark[cis]>
click the second link to see where it went :)
<whitequark[cis]>
Sebastien Bourdeauducq actually spent, I esimate, something like $15k-$20k on trademark registration a frivolous legal threat to GitHub to try and claim that name as his
<whitequark[cis]>
he failed, of course, because he has no grounds to do so
<attiegrande[m]>
the second link doesn't work for me? (302 to hxxps://github.com/?ref=github.co&shorturl=nmigen/nmigen)
<whitequark[cis]>
try logged out or in an incognito window
<whitequark[cis]>
I think GitHub broke repository redirections or something
<attiegrande[m]>
that went to the same, but github asking me to login
<whitequark[cis]>
it works if you clone the repo, which is what matters
<whitequark[cis]>
haha I kinda like SnoopJ's doodle
<SnoopJ>
:v
<whitequark[cis]>
I like the concept! I'm just not sure how to make that recognizable at e.g. github icon size
<whitequark[cis]>
which is where most people will see it, probably
<whitequark[cis]>
let's discuss this on the next meeting? I've added the nominated tag to the issue (cc attiegrande)
<attiegrande[m]>
i saw - will do!
<SnoopJ>
yea, it would need cleverness from someone who actually knows iconography (probably the number of traces could be dramatically reduced, aspect adjusted)
<whitequark[cis]>
yep
<whitequark[cis]>
also, an adjustable wrench is a better symbol to invoke, ime
<whitequark[cis]>
s/ime/imo/
<attiegrande[m]>
How about the screwdrivers with swappable bits
<attiegrande[m]>
standard interface to the handle, variable interface to "the thing"
<SnoopJ>
my original thought was one of those many-in-one screwdriver/wrench thingies, but with wires coming out of it, but a wrench is an easy way to cut way down on the number of details there. Adjustable wrench is an easy change though, I'm inclined to agree
<SnoopJ>
+1 to an adjustment screw though
<whitequark[cis]>
yeah!
* SnoopJ
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<SnoopJ>
had a go at a much smaller icon (took a CC-BY-SA 4 logo from wikimedia commons, sized down, applied crude pixels), seems doable. Probably shouldn't go right up to the edge like that, but I am not an artiste: https://i.imgur.com/eGEmkYG.png
<SnoopJ>
nowhere near 24x24 of course
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<whitequark[cis]>
!
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<esden[m]>
I personally would love it if we could reuse the nmigen logo (as it is not really associated with it really) because there was a lot of effort that went into it and it feels like it is wasted a bit.
<SnoopJ>
the hexagon is quite nice
<esden[m]>
That logo as pretty much any good logo takes months of work to create. This was no exception. Including design documents and idea gathering and what not.
<esden[m]>
just slapping something together or getting a CC-BY-SA logo from wikimedia does not really cut it. No offence Snoop 🙂
<SnoopJ>
Sure, just meant to be an idea, not a "here's the thing"
<esden[m]>
Ok 🙂 I assumed as much. 🙂
<esden[m]>
Ok, just a heads up. I will be much less available over the next two weeks. I will do my best to be around during our Saturday meetings if I can, or at least monitor the conversation. I am about to jump into the car leaving for Vegas to Black Hat and then Def Con. If you are at any of the two events let me know. It is always nice to meet people that one only knows the nicknames of. I will have a vendor booth at DefCon so you will find me
<esden[m]>
there most of the time. 🙂
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<attiegrande[m]>
ooh, enjoy!
<attiegrande[m]>
nice direction snoopj!
<whitequark[cis]>
esden: re logo: on one hand yes, on the other I really do not want to touch anything that is associtaed with "nMigen" in any way because of how much abuse I went through to get here.
<whitequark[cis]>
no offense, but while there was a lot of effort and some amount of money that went into it, none of you paid the personal cost I paid for it.
<whitequark[cis]>
while working M-Labs isn't solely responsible for it of course (though if you include indirect effects like housing precarity it caused, it is responsible for a lot), I would be a lot less disabled if I never worked there
<icb[m]>
How does the new bridge handle Discord replies? Re: zyp/vegard_e, Discord has per-server display names (nicknames) that are separate from the username. Same reason my name is probably showing up differently between the two sides of the bridge
<icb>
Oh, it does the "right" thing, at least on the IRC side
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<rogandawes[m]>
For a logo, I was thinking of a multitool (like "Swiss Army knife"), with the Scottish flag on the size, and connectors of various sorts as the multi tools
<attiegrande[m]>
i'd vote to avoid using the scottish flag (or others)
<rogandawes[m]>
s/size/side/
<rogandawes[m]>
I imagine it could lead to trouble - I was just riffing on the Scots Army Knife description
<attiegrande[m]>
that's fair
<SnoopJ>
💭(what's an appropriate analogue of the AACS flag for Glasgow?)
<rogandawes[m]>
lol, bridge quoting going mad?
<whitequark[cis]>
AACS flag?
<whitequark[cis]>
rogandawes: what's up with bridge quoting?
<whitequark[cis]>
attiegrande: yes absolutely no Scottish flag... the project (confusingly) isn't related to Scotland in any way
<whitequark[cis]>
and to the extent that it is related it is because I dislike the company headquartered in Glasgow (though I have no ill towards the country or the people, it's just that one specific company)
<whitequark[cis]>
oh sorry rogandawes was the highlight I wanted
<icb[m]>
I'm assuming the AACS flag is referring to the "flag" that's colored bars from the hex codes of the Blu-ray encryption key
<SnoopJ>
yea
<sorear>
2/10 good idea but fails interpretability, human vision cannot roundtrip 24-bit colors even under ideal conditions, needs fewer bits per bar and some form of error correction
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<bob_twinkles[m]>
on the discord side of the bridge we get HTML escape codes (like ') rather than the characters
<bob_twinkles[m]>
it's not a huge problem but it is a bit weird
<whitequark[cis]>
oh lmfao
<SnoopJ>
I mean, I think a flag of any kind would be busy for a logo, but my mind wandered into it thinking about something non-national in nature
<vegard_e[m]>
@Catherine I guess the zyp vs vegard_e thing is a display name vs discord ID issue; I generally go by the former and use the latter where something more unique is required
<vegard_e[m]>
matrix have the same thing, I'm using zyp as a display name there as well, but the account is vegard_e@matrix.org
<whitequark[cis]>
in theory I have the bridge configured to use display names
<whitequark[cis]>
in practice the bridge is ... bad
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<bob_twinkles[m]>
at least it doesn't drop messages!