14:24 <cc0> rockorager: regarding your comment on the osc: whats the use case for getting the current app id?

14:46 <cc0> (or detect support for it)

15:04 <rockorager> cc0: I believe in a terminfo-less world, and the only way to get there is to advertise support for terminal features through queries or heuristics and queries >> heuristics

15:05 <rockorager> An alternative is to _also_ create a terminfo cap name for the feature so it can be queried via XTGETTCAP

15:05 <rockorager> But I think the same approach as what kitty keyboard is using is better

15:06 <rockorager> IE query for current flag value, if you get a response it also means it's supported

15:07 <rockorager> Getting the current app-id isn't very important to me, it's just somehow advertising support via a query

15:07 <cc0> hmm, but why is it important to know if it's supported?

15:07 <cc0> i'd just unconditionally send the app-id osc if i know OSCs are supported

15:07 <cc0> if the app id request is dropped, it's fine

15:07 <cc0> no?

15:08 <rockorager> I don't have a use case now, but I can foresee a situation where an app may want to fallback to something if it needs to

15:12 <rockorager> OSC 8 is a good example

15:12 <rockorager> I can't query for support, and mostly you can emit OSC 8 and it gets dropped

15:12 <rockorager> But....without knowing if it's supported I can't wholesale replace long URLs with some placeholder and give it an OSC 8 wrapper

15:13 <rockorager> Not the same, obviously but a case where I would want to know if it's supported so I can change what I do on the app side

15:14 <rockorager> So...in general I just think any feature should be able to be detected in some way

15:15 <cc0> hmm..in theory i agree, but id say that to get wide support keeping the spec as simple as possible would help; so if theres no useful use case for the app id, i'd maybe just keep it out of the spec for now

15:17 <cc0> esp given than other specs where detecting support could be much more useful (hyperlinks) dont have this kind of supprot detection at all

15:21 <rockorager> Here's a potential use case...

15:21 <rockorager> I use app-ids to control things in my WM. if an app changes the app-id, it could really mess things up for me

15:22 <rockorager> So I'd probably want to disable OSC 666 at a terminal level, instead of in ever possible application

15:22 <rockorager> Ok nevermind, this would just be on the terminal to ignore them

15:22 <rockorager> :0