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<cone-762>
ffmpeg Anton Khirnov master:66a02a85088f: tools/general_assembly: add newly voted-in extra GA members
<Lynne>
are we going to have another vote for this in january?
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<elenril>
no
<elenril>
unless a bunch of new candidates are proposed, I guess
<Lynne>
oh, 2 years
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<courmisch>
why is the voting system changed
<courmisch>
last week I had to rank, but now it seems to be ponderarion based which is basically the opposite
<courmisch>
I probably voted inverted, nice
<wbs>
higher number was for more preference for a specific candidate, right?
<nevcairiel>
thats what the blurb over the vote says, yes
<courmisch>
I'm not sure. probably but I did the opposite. the French text is confusing
<courmisch>
(and I didn't ask for a language, it just gave it)
<Lynne>
was the event loop code merged?
<Lynne>
the one vvcdec needs
* courmisch
is a complete moron
<JEEB>
Lynne: I don't recall if it passed review, but since the checking has moved onto vvcdec proper I thought it did get through review?
<JEEB>
not sure if merged yet since vvcdec was the only user
<j-b>
courmisch: the French text is completely idiotic
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<Lynne>
JEEB: pretty sure it passed review, but I guess with no users, no point in merging it yet
<courmisch>
I wouldn't call a work queue an event loop
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<elenril>
>@wbs | higher number was for more preference for a specific candidate, right?
<elenril>
yes
<elenril>
AFAIU
<elenril>
the reason it's different is that it's using proportional representation
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<courmisch>
well, can't change vote so :shrug:
<Lynne>
petition to add a wordfilter on irc and ml: assembly -> chocolate gateau
<Lynne>
general chocolate gateau elections
<elenril>
you got the address wrong, 4chan is 22 blocks north of here
<Lynne>
I will make chocolate gauteau faster, the one we have currently is slower
<Lynne>
there are only upsides
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<Traneptora>
courmisch> I probably voted inverted, nice
<Traneptora>
rip, I think I did as well
<Traneptora>
I assumed "first" was "your first choice" aka top ranked
<elenril>
sigh
<Traneptora>
that was for my GA vote
<Traneptora>
haven't yet voted today
<elenril>
ah
<elenril>
yeah, I also think it's confusing that "visually higher" is "numerically lower"
<elenril>
makes it hard to describe things unambigously
<JEEB>
yea
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<BBB>
so are we going to get youtube guides now?
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<cone-072>
ffmpeg Paul B Mahol master:8b9c400f1d63: avfilter/af_amerge: use already provided outlink
<cone-072>
ffmpeg Paul B Mahol master:358aced447fb: avfilter/af_amultiply: set output frame duration
<cone-072>
ffmpeg Paul B Mahol master:bafbb0697e05: avfilter/af_amix: set output frame duration
<cone-072>
ffmpeg Paul B Mahol master:c979ccdfd77e: avfilter: no need to request more samples if internal frame is available
<cone-072>
ffmpeg Paul B Mahol master:67ce690bc6b6: avfilter/af_anlms: set output frame duration
<cone-072>
ffmpeg Paul B Mahol master:411c51645306: avfilter/af_arls: set output frame duration
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<BBB>
elenril: I was "simply" thinking of providing an example
<BBB>
"if selecting between candidate A, B and C; the best-ranked candidate should have rank=1 or weight=16, and the worst-ranked candidate should have rank=3 or weight=0
<BBB>
I don't know if that makes sense (I haven't tried voting yet)
<elenril>
sure, that makes sense
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<elenril>
the main issue is I didn't know what it would look like until looking at my voter link
<BBB>
ok... I'm guessing we could follow-up with instructions on-list, right?
<BBB>
it's not like emails after the voting has started are forbidden
<BBB>
are they?
<elenril>
I can still edit the vote description
<JEEB>
nice
<elenril>
most people who were going to vote probably already voted though
<jamrial>
worth trying anyway
* JEEB
has $dayjob so has not voted yet
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<ePirat>
elenril, I misunderstood the voting process as well, not completely, but especially the "The system will assume you want to maximise the sum of weights of
<ePirat>
selected candidates" part…
<ePirat>
(I read the description in the voting system and it was not clear to me until you have the example on the ML… this voting tool sucks)
<elenril>
well, as long as you give higher numbers to more preferred candidates, it should not be too far off what you want
<ePirat>
yeah
<elenril>
this is also not a problem just with this tool - well-behaved voting systems are hard to understand for voters
<elenril>
that's why most countries are using utterly garbage systems that people can understand
<ePirat>
well the description in the tool should be written so that normal people can make sense of it, like you did, with an example :D
<elenril>
the second paragraph of my explanation is mostly copied from the docs
<ePirat>
elenril, well I was confused by the docs saying it makes no sense to give very high numbers, which indeed it does not in relation to other ballots, but it does make a difference if I give someone a 90 and two people a 50, vs giving that someone a 200 and two people a 50, IIUC…
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<cone-072>
ffmpeg xufuji456 master:cc86343b9607: lavc/hevcdsp_qpel_neon: using movi.16b instead of movi.2d
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<Daemon404>
ive read the emails *and* the new description and this vote is still confusing as hell
<Daemon404>
what a crapshoot
<jamrial>
Daemon404: 999 to people you want, 0 o people you don't. ignore sum of weights
<Daemon404>
it should be redone anyway
<Daemon404>
i sent an email
<Daemon404>
trashfire
<Daemon404>
and the explanation elenril wrote reads like a math paper from a journal
<Daemon404>
word soup
<ePirat>
the sum of weights seems like a neat feature but the UX is a catastrophy
<jamrial>
Daemon404: chill, it's morning
<Daemon404>
imagine if a country did a vote like this
<jamrial>
i wont oppose a re-vote if others agree it's confusing and some votes cast were already ruined
<Daemon404>
i am chill ;)
<Daemon404>
but i can call a spade a spade
<Lynne>
what a confusing chocolate gauteau
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<cone-072>
ffmpeg Paul B Mahol master:f66536cc5816: avfilter: add Affine Projection adaptive audio filter
<microchip_>
huzza
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<cone-072>
ffmpeg Paul B Mahol master:47e214245bc2: avfilter/arls_template: use defines for all constants
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<jkqxz>
It is not at all obvious what the right way to express your preferences with these weightings are.
<jkqxz>
I see that if I have a strict ordering of candidates then I need to give them power-of-two values, but combining anything seems very difficult.
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<j-b>
I did not understand the voting process :D
<courmisch>
elenril: what if the function does not burn up entirely while deorbiting
<j-b>
good morning bad people
<j-b>
good morning nice people
<courmisch>
stop the count, literally
<courmisch>
with elenril's post I am even more confused
<courmisch>
I thought the relative order of weights was the only thing that mattered. Now it's proportional, seriously?
<kalen_>
it doesnt seem to be finding the opus lib with pkg-config
<kalen_>
there i am setting it in so many ways, and the .pc file is there at that location, opus.pc is there with the args that printed out there for me
<kalen_>
Ubuntu 22.02 here
<jkqxz>
Can we have a vote to pick the voting system used for votes?
<jkqxz>
And before that, a vote to pick the voting system used for the vote to pick the voting system for votes?
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<jamrial>
jkqxz: we did have a vote to pick the voting system, in fact :D
<jamrial>
that was back in vdd japan, i think
<j-b>
Yes
<j-b>
But we said Schultz
<j-b>
But never mentionned proportional at that time
<cosminaught>
the proportional weighting voting seems overly complicated, the "I'd take X over Y or Z but Y+Z over X" seems like the kind of thing that almost nobody would actually care to express or reason about
<kalen_>
Got the issue handled in #ffmpeg-devel thanks to furq and JEEB -- thanks
<kalen_>
in #ffmpeg, sorry -- this webclient auto completed it
<elenril>
j-b: IIRC proportional representation was something michaelni cared strongly about
<cosminaught>
proportional representation seems fine, but this way of doing it seems confusing. Something like proportional ranked choice voting would be much easier to reason about.
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<elenril>
that's not very useful unless you're proposing we switch to some other voting system
<cosminaught>
I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that this could be implemented on top of the current voting system
<nevcairiel>
the voting software seems overall very terrible, and yet how everyone talks about its, it must be the bestest thing ever. sounds like a typical floss-nerd product :p
<cosminaught>
if it allows ranking candidates and getting back the raw (but anonymized votes) then implementing the necessary parsing for proportional ranked choice voting would be fairly straight forward
<wbs>
as the regular ranked vote style is pretty well understood, and has been used for many earlier votes, perhaps the safest would be to revert to that, if we feel we need to restart it.
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