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<beach>
What are the conditions required for SBCL to expand a compiler macro?
<beach>
The manual doesn't say it seems.
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<beach>
Never mind. Apparently, the callee must be declared inline.
<beach>
I found it from looking at the SBCL source code. But it is strange that the manual does not provide this information.
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<Shinmera>
Extremely minor thing: it looks like with-hash-table-iterator uses dx-flet. However, the spec says that the consequences are merely unspecified, not undefined, should the iterator escape. If I understand correctly, a dx function could lead to a memory corruption if called outside its scope, which would not make the consequences unspecified (since unspecified means "unpredictable but harmless."
<Shinmera>
whoops, wrong channel
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<beach>
Duh! It's in the standard that a requirement for a compiler macro to be expanded is that the function is not declared NOTINLINE.
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<aeth>
I had and answered my own question before asking it, but I'm going to put the answer here, anyway, because I'm going to forget it.
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<aeth>
macros find out where to place more specific errors in SLIME via trivial-with-current-source-form:with-current-source-form
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<aeth>
Only two implementations on https://portability.cl/ but that's better than nothing...
<ixelp>
Common Lisp Portability Library Status
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<aeth>
And I almost asked it in here because I knew it was possible, but couldn't find it, until I thought to check portability.cl
<JuanDaugherty>
ty for that, wouldn have expected sbcl to compare like that
<citizeno>
Apropos the discussion on performance yesterday, I have been scratching a performance itch this holiday season and wrote https://github.com/ajberkley/cl-binary-store which is a fast binary serializer/deserializer. It's for all Common Lisp types/objects (so for saving system state). The normal "go to" solution cl-store is just too slow.
<citizeno>
Anyhow, it's still a work in progress but I am planning to use it at work so it should get some good production testing. But as was noted, you can't easily make something performant that is not designed for it (I wasted a lot of effort on cl-store trying to make it faster, but in the end the whole structure is wrong for it).
<ixelp>
GitHub - ajberkley/cl-binary-store: A fast Common Lisp binary serializer/deserializer
<JuanDaugherty>
i'm good with lisp objects stayin at home
<phoe>
i thought this image would say "unconditional"
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<JuanDaugherty>
seems to imply the ansi committee are ape like creatures
<JuanDaugherty>
or a barrel of monkeys
<Pixel_Outlaw>
Nah, not intended that way.
<JuanDaugherty>
y not?
<Pixel_Outlaw>
I meant to show their excitement in finishing it. Their expressions are pleasant in there.
<JuanDaugherty>
i c
<JuanDaugherty>
nice cover
<Pixel_Outlaw>
Anyway, just a funny joke for your coffee break. It's not often a game mentions OOP.
<aeth>
games adopted OOP late and then OOP went out of fashion everywhere
<aeth>
gives them 2004-2010 or so of OOP being fashionable and used in games
<Pixel_Outlaw>
I like the CLOS for the most part. Some day I'll have to get around to the MOP fully.
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<Pixel_Outlaw>
I don't find C++'s notion of OOP nearly as fun. And I think the current crucifixion of OOP comes from people wanting a magic bullet while being burned by that kind of OOP.
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<aeth>
oh, wow, this is really neat, with-current-source-form works even if you macroexpand inside of a macro, at least in SBCL
<aeth>
It'll still highlight the error at the correct spot when the inner macro (which is directly called by macroexpand inside of the outer macro!) expands
<aeth>
So it's still useful inside of tree-walking macros that have to expand macros this way.
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<Pixel_Outlaw>
Huh, so SBCL keeps the source around?
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<bike>
with-current-source-form affects things _during_ compilation. the source is still around when you see the error because the error is happening in the middle of compilation.
<Pixel_Outlaw>
Gotcha. :)
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<shawnw>
asdf looks in subdirectories of ~/common-lisp for systems. Is there any way to make it follow symlinks to directories?