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<cheakoirccloud>
I took a look and it wasn't straightforward. I thought NetBSD would have the nicest support, as in the past(~2002) that's the experience I've had. Turns out they don't even claim it'll boot and the SD image as-is seamingly has no way to boot. I didn't look at the FreeBSD image, but their documentation is encouraging... but still sounds like I'd be out in the weeds.
<cheakoirccloud>
Mainly etherswitchcfg looks to be a problem, options like "Strip the VLAN tags from the packets sentby the port." sound scarry.
<lanefu>
nah makes sense if you're wanting to make sure an access port is clean
<lanefu>
if you're not using VLANs nothing to worry about
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<ArmbianBridge>
[freenode] <freenodecom> This channel has been reopened with respect to the communities and new users. The topic is in violation of freenode policy: https://freenode.net/policies
<ArmbianBridge>
[freenode] <freenodecom> The new channel is ##armbian
<c0rnelius>
exciting
<lanefu>
lol no kidding
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<patrix>
lol wow
<lanefu>
scortched earth in freenode country
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<patrix>
yeah...
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<cheakoirccloud>
k, Freenode channel is broken. I get redirected to the aforementioned ##armbian, which is basically empty. Trying to join again informs me that I must be invited.
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<tony>
w
<tony>
Hey. I'm trying to set up armbian image on a sd card, i just wrote it using usbimager but it just doesn't launch properly. WHat can i do?
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<[TheBug]>
WTF happened on freenode
<[TheBug]>
lol
<[TheBug]>
great way to treat people just fuck the whole channel
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@lanefu (Lane Jennison): @geerlingguy UTM is definitely a winner for operating qemu. I added a virtio-optimized image build target and left some breadcrumbs in the config file https://t.co/nlMWlJ6myVhttps://tinyurl.com/yfl7pfer (10s ago)
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<Werner>
So Freenode hijacked our old channel. Like they did with jellyfin and others
<Xogium>
indeed
<Werner>
They kind of did me a favor. Dont need to deal with AR-769 anymore
<ArmbianHelper>
AR-769 [Sub-task] "Mute main channel to enforce moving at some date" reported by Werner at 2021-05-24. Status: To Do
<HerculeP>
about 700 channels affected
<Tenkawa>
ouch
<HerculeP>
on "Leenode" aka unFreeNode
<Xogium>
5000 channles have already gone
<Xogium>
along with 13000 more users
<Xogium>
all in the space of one night
<HerculeP>
abusing chanserv power
* Tenkawa
can't believe the mgmt of that net has turned to that
<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (🔴🔴 Ben Zucker 🍰): Like it happened on others the @armbian IRC channel on (un)#Freenode has been hijacked by their new "management". I encourage everyone strongly to avoid this network. https://tinyurl.com/yjrf9xmw (4s ago)
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<Tenkawa>
it would've never been allowed to happen back in the day when my servers were still running there
<Tenkawa>
the mgmt at the time weren't like that
<Werner>
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<Xogium>
well, nothing is authorized under lee's governance it looks like
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<Xogium>
but what he says it is
<Tenkawa>
(it was still linpeople at that time though.. this was still the 90's)
<Tenkawa>
I had asimov.freenode at one point too
<Tenkawa>
sad to think
<Tenkawa>
(before ownership switched hands)
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<Werner>
Just dropped my account on freenode. Therefore I do not have any control over the armbian namespace whatsoever anymore (if this is worth anything now anyways...)
<stipa>
bummer, well, something like crap on freenodewas expected to happen
<stipa>
i hope it won't attack servers
<stipa>
but freenode is practically without value
<stipa>
too bad, cool name
<Tenkawa>
a legacy might be in the ending
<stipa>
might be, might be
<Tenkawa>
I hope not since I've been part of it so long... but
<Tenkawa>
I won't be part of whats going on either
<Tenkawa>
if anyone of you were around long enough I was formerly known as Orac
<stipa>
there was word about Armbian crew supporting it, but it's silent
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<stipa>
yeah, cool, something is happening
<stipa>
starfive has fancy housing
<stipa>
heat travels faster to the heatsink i guess
<stipa>
oh wow, 8GB of ram
<Tenkawa>
nice eh?
<stipa>
yeah, it shure screams for DE
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<Xogium>
so kinda OT but, anyone here knows what's the difference between primary and secondary group contacts on here?
<stipa>
i don't know what that is
<stipa>
is it something important?
<Xogium>
it is when you register as a project
<stipa>
i guess Werner could chime in
<Werner>
I think they are kind a fallback/successor if primary is not available or gets deleted or whatever
<Xogium>
hmmm possibly
<stipa>
maybe Unit193 knows
<Werner>
Should but is away ;)
<stipa>
Tenkawa maybe
<stipa>
they're not in the Europe maybe
<stipa>
Xogium: i'll ping you if i see something
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<Tenkawa>
If the founder's
<Tenkawa>
nickname expires or is dropped while the channel is still
<Tenkawa>
channel. However, if the successor already has too many
<Tenkawa>
registered, the successor will become the new founder of the
<Tenkawa>
instead, just as if no successor had been set. The new
<Tenkawa>
channels registered (<num>), the channel will be dropped
<Tenkawa>
nickname must be a registered one.
<Xogium>
so secondary vs primary gc are just successors?
<Tenkawa>
yep
<Tenkawa>
they are there if the primary account ever goesaway
<Tenkawa>
you can assign a lof of roles with the flags settings though
<Tenkawa>
even founder itself doesnt give you many "permissions"
<Xogium>
yeah its just I'm puzzled because the staff asked me if my other project members would be primary or secondary contacts
<Tenkawa>
just ownership
<Tenkawa>
Xogium: they want that for two factor auth I imagine
<Tenkawa>
to make sure in case they can't contact you they have a contact
<Tenkawa>
there needs to be a end to end connection.
<Xogium>
yeah
<Tenkawa>
all of my channels have it
<Xogium>
makes sense
<Xogium>
but they did seem to say that secondary and primary had different roles
<Xogium>
so that's why I was wondering
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<Tenkawa>
odd..
<Tenkawa>
let me check something
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<Tenkawa>
yeah... its a rights seperation that you don't get locked out because you only have 1 person controlling the whole thing
<Tenkawa>
founder & successor
<Tenkawa>
but I would need to see what they told you
<Tenkawa>
for sure
<Xogium>
pretty much like on the website
<Tenkawa>
got a reference url I can look at that they gave?
<Xogium>
Group contacts are the members in your project that will be the official interface between Libera.Chat and your organization. They are the ones who can claim channels in your namespace(s) and request cloaks for your members/users. You can tell us whether these should be visible to the public or not. There are different categories of group contacts, check with our team to get the option that fits your
<Xogium>
structure best.
<Xogium>
the usual channel registration page
<Tenkawa>
ok.. reading
<Xogium>
on how to register as a project
<Tenkawa>
I might suddenly disappear... starting to storm here
<Xogium>
that's alright
<Tenkawa>
this is more about primary/secondary relationship of yourself to th project itself
<Tenkawa>
er the
<Tenkawa>
note the Our team will then get in touch with you and do a claim verification. These are done per case and usually contain some sort of check of domain / code repository ownership or the likes.
<Tenkawa>
they want to validate members involvement/structure in the registration
<Tenkawa>
so there would be someone to speak on the projects behalf and someone on irc more than likely
<Tenkawa>
seperation of duties/tasks/make each persons life easier
<Xogium>
that's what I don't quite get still
<Tenkawa>
Xogium: sure... if you are a dev.. do you want to be doing pr too?
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<Xogium>
well suppose it is how it works on some projects ?
<Tenkawa>
there needs to be "some" kind of moderators
<Tenkawa>
for project channels
<Tenkawa>
"official" ones
<Tenkawa>
and there's mgmt and technical people there
<Tenkawa>
heh
<Tenkawa>
(of course being on irc its mostly still volunteer anyway)
* Tenkawa
does not miss "anything" about mgmt
<Xogium>
:)
<Tenkawa>
Xogium: they tried pushing me into mgmt 3 times in my career... not happening
<stipa>
beeing dev and pr at the same time is not possible today
<stipa>
because of the social networks and their sick tempo they're running at
<stipa>
i have ai doing that
<Tenkawa>
stipa: exactly
<stipa>
whole day goes by just by keeping with socials
<Tenkawa>
you got to have seperation of duties just to keep pace
<stipa>
yeah
<Tenkawa>
its not like the old days when I was doing it all end to end
<Tenkawa>
(25 years ago)
<stipa>
right
<stipa>
despite nowadays everything beeing easy the competition is also insane
<Tenkawa>
heheh indeed
<stipa>
hyperreal i would say
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<willmore>
freenode channel offically dead?
<willmore>
FWIW, a bot came in and changed the MOTD there.
<Tenkawa>
willmore: yep
<Tenkawa>
they apparently "and I am not saying this in any official capacity" took it quite involuntarily in my understanding
<willmore>
they?
<Tenkawa>
the new fn staff
<willmore>
Okay. They seem to be cracking down on MOTDs mentioning other servers.
<Tenkawa>
indeed
<willmore>
Just wanted to confirm that here is 'official' and I can close one tab over there.
<Tenkawa>
I made sure to take all that out of my channels today
<Tenkawa>
while we are finishing transitioning
<Tenkawa>
they are all locked down and repointed but I still want people to know "our" website
<willmore>
Okay, parting there.
<Tenkawa>
they can get info from there
<willmore>
Owww, they up and seized the channel entirely. Can't talk anymore.
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<akanouras>
Hi all, trying to build Armbian Hirsute for Orange Pi Zero Plus (H5) with a few (cleanly applying) patches to stmmac in Docker under Ubuntu 21.04, but an almost empty DTB .deb (see https://paste.debian.net/1198924/ ) is built, resulting in u-boot not being able to boot the board. Anything I've missed? Config: https://paste.debian.net/1198927/
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<IgorPec>
akanouras: we had empty dtb problem two weeks ago ... are you using latest sources?
<akanouras>
I'm on fc892b7e3f390750c0ec89c92a746fd4117d1f6c (Date: Tue May 25 03:50:16 2021 +0300), but I've cloned using --depth=1 .
<akanouras>
Will pull and retry again, hoped it'd be me missing something obvious :-)
<akanouras>
Great work :-D I'm using Armbian a lot during development; and this makes me feel bad for not having donated yet. :-/
<akanouras>
Btw I had already stumbled and read 1-2 pages of that thread, wasn't sure if it was something merged though. Will get more acquainted with it - thanks for the pointer ;-)
<akanouras>
Won't take up any more of your time, will report back in the bug tracker when I have success in building a proper DTB package.
<IgorPec>
yeah, i can't tell more about 5.12.y since we still strouggle with troubles ...not this kind but it is possible those came back
<IgorPec>
"edge" branch is very much experimental
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<c0rnelius>
The never ending woes of 5.12.y. Can't wait to see 5.13 :)
<c0rnelius>
I mostly stay on 5.10.y LTS currently as I don't even wanna deal with it.
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<Unit193>
Xogium: Secondary GC can't remove a primary one, for one.