cr1901 changed the topic of ##yamahasynths to: Channel dedicated to questions and discussion of Yamaha FM Synthesizer internals and corresponding REing. Discussion of synthesis methods similar to the Yamaha line of chips, Sound Blasters + clones, PCM chips like RF5C68, and CD theory of operation are also on-topic. Channel logs: https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/~h~yamahasynths
<NiGHTS>
the whole freenode kerfluffle – Ariadne's Space
<andlabs>
"It turns out that Christel was lying to them: Andrew had operational control and legal authority over the freenode domains"
<andlabs>
so wait, Ultrasauce said something about christel being in a difficult spot?
<andlabs>
which is it
<qu1j0t3>
i heard that too
<andlabs>
Ultrasauce also implied christel is a woman so I want to know the whole facts before I make any statement
<Ultrasauce>
the two are not mutually exclusive
<andlabs>
otherwise this will fuel misogyny and I will not allow that
<andlabs>
[02:54:38] <-- ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has quit (Killed (grumble (My fellow staff so-called 'friends' are about to hand over account data to a non-staff member. If you care about your data, drop your NickServ account NOW before that happens.)))
<andlabs>
oh good, so now it's too late
<Ultrasauce>
(generally you don't want to spread misinformation about men either)
<emilazy>
if you look at her keybase account
<emilazy>
it lists her as being employed by London Trust Media/Imperial Family
<emilazy>
one suspects the difficult spot towards the end was "not being able to do her duties as both an employee and a freenode volunteer"; dunno about the sale earlier on
<emilazy>
as like "head of events" or whatever
<emilazy>
(the sale was in return for freenode live money, apparently)
<emilazy>
presumably the deal where she sold the network also turned into her job
<emilazy>
if it was necessary to keep the network in operation, that was certainly never conveyed publicly
<emilazy>
well, hopefully you did not use your freenode password for anything else anyway :p
<Ultrasauce>
my understanding is there are a couple of very key details that have not reached the public at this point
<emilazy>
and ##yamahasynths on irc.libera.chat is now going to be the very first place they do, right???
<andlabs>
well I didn't use that password elsewhere
<andlabs>
so
<andlabs>
I'm not worried about that
<andlabs>
also this article is missing one frustrating thing
<andlabs>
"However, in implementing his desire to preserve the IRC network he grew up on, he has effectively destroyed it: projects are leaving or planning to leave en masse, which is sad."
<andlabs>
the details of what "preserve the IRC network he grew up on" entails
<andlabs>
that would be enlightening
<andlabs>
otherwise I can only assume the worst: an early 90s cishet white male testosterama
<tpw_rules>
oh, it was already referenced in that page. sorry if you already saw it
<emilazy>
honestly this ariadne.space post is very charitable for being directed towards the writer-singer of famous freenode anthem "Don't FWM"
<emilazy>
he is kind of repeatedly kicking the notion that he has at least some kind of self-centred benevolence in the shin :V
<Ultrasauce>
there was a bit more room and reason to be charitable a week ago
<emilazy>
oh
<emilazy>
I didn't realize that post was 8 days old
<emilazy>
mhm
<andlabs>
but yeah with nickserv being compromised for a week now
<andlabs>
yeah
<andlabs>
I'm not waiting for the last channel I was on to migrate anymore
<andlabs>
(also I'm convinced that impersonation is a matter of time; they've already done everything else in the book to individuals)
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<cr1901>
I stg if I exit a tab by accident ONE MORE TIME tonight I'm gonna...
<cr1901>
do absolutely nothing, because I'm at that wonderful "mind is tired, body is not" phase
<cr1901>
or is it reverse?
<cr1901>
andlabs: If you haven't verified yet, christel is a woman. Don't remember the source, but I found out last week just when the staff was abandoning ship
<cr1901>
Not that this is important other than when third-person nouns are used
<andlabs>
it is when laying blame
<andlabs>
one gender will result in significantly worse hate spewed than the other
<cr1901>
That's something I didn't think of
<cr1901>
><emilazy> and ##yamahasynths on irc.libera.chat is now going to be the very first place they do, right???
<cr1901>
Yes, we need to be EXTREMELY careful :). Uhh, closing the channel in the way we did was quite overkill. But I'm curious to see if it works and doesn't get hijacked.
<andlabs>
meh
<andlabs>
it's not like this channel was #ubuntu
<andlabs>
we'll probably not be noticed
<cr1901>
/sarcasm
<andlabs>
no really I'm probably overestimating my own owrry
<andlabs>
^_^
<cr1901>
Not that I'm gonna inflame the situation, but the chances of being noticed are effectively zero
<sorear>
kind of confused by the "they have the nickserv db so they can impersonate people" framing i've seen in a bunch of places...they could do that anyway?
<qu1j0t3>
sorear: if i had to guess, i think the concern moved from theoretical and "reasonable people wouldn't" to "well, based on events, now a plausible risk"
<cr1901>
"But would they?!". "Yes. Yes they would."
<sorear>
staff do not and have never needed nickserv info to impersonate people
<qu1j0t3>
same issue really
<qu1j0t3>
the have lost _any_ trust
<sorear>
i'm not saying they wouldn't do that, i'm saying "get your personal data out of nickserv" is a very weird idea of a defence
<sorear>
the only impersonation I know has happened so far has been fake twitter accounts
<cr1901>
I thought there were other reasons to remove all your accts
<Lord_Nightmare>
cr1901: theres a hotkey in firefox to unclose a tab
<cr1901>
Lord_Nightmare: Pidgin, not web browser
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<cr1901>
^I am going to ask everyone, at the risk of Striesand Effect to PLEASE ignore this quit message above the other quit message and just let things be.
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<Nekohime>
O.o
<alexisvl>
hmmm did i miss some fun drama bc i have join/part hidden? lol
<cr1901>
I suppose it might be better if I were transparent, but not sure how to make it concise
<cr1901>
Maybe: "When we switched to libera, I had to Do A Moderation and tell ppl to leave (and ban) for the first time. It was coincidence that it happened during the transition to libera and I would've done the same on freenode. Not everyone liked how I handled this, and it finally boiled over tonight via _other_ political discussion".
<cr1901>
If you want more info, privmsg me. But I'd rather leave it at that
<sorear>
meanwhile i'm just permanently out of the loop
<andlabs>
as for the discussion immediatley prior to that
<sorear>
huh. somehow i assumed this place had existed for 10+
<cr1901>
I've only been on IRC for 7.5 :P
<sorear>
what is a cr1901 anyway. synth chip?
<cr1901>
cr == https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrail. I'm a railfan, but I don't talk about it. "1901", IIRC is a shitposty year that's not my birth year that I chose when making my YT acct.
<emilazy>
its birth year
<alexisvl>
lithium coin cell, 19mm by 0.1mm. really awkward to put in without bending, but nice and compact
<emilazy>
lol i was joking
<cr1901>
alexisvl: Indeed :D. I like that interpretation too
<cr1901>
But I was gonna use YT for train videos. And never did. While I still like diesel locomotives A LOT, it's just not something I talk about much
<cr1901>
Aren't you glad you asked :D?
<sorear>
(yes)
<emilazy>
(fwiw, some christel-related allegations i wasn't previously aware of https://twitter.com/flameeyes/status/1396739596894064643 ... not to turn this into ##freenode-drama-central, but since the topic of her character came up previously)
<cr1901>
Who cares at this point. Drama away :D!
<sorear>
hmm, ddg doesn't seem to have the logs for this channel indexed yet
<cr1901>
Interesting :o
<cr1901>
sorear: bing doesn't seem to get this right either
<emilazy>
search-engine-indexed social channels are mildly cursed :p
<emilazy>
(<- says the person who grew up in them)
<emilazy>
not gonna lie, i have that terrible andrew lee rap stuck in my head now.
<cr1901>
I didn't think it was real
<cr1901>
I thought I died and went to hell
<alexisvl>
oh god, i want to know, but i also extremely do not
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<cr1901>
Hmm, does the matrix bridge time out more than usual on libera?
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natalie- is now known as natalie
<KitsuWhooa>
They only made it public a few hours ago
<KitsuWhooa>
I assume they're sorting it out still :p
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<ugla>
boop!
<cr1901>
Earlier, I was discussing ppl I have left to migrate... I forgot to notify you that the bridge was up :P
<cr1901>
Somehow there's about 85-90% retention
<ugla>
I had noticed that the bridge was up but forgot half the channels I was supposed to join x)
<andlabs>
could be worse
<andlabs>
could be me
<andlabs>
who spent a few days this week running imagemagick's extremely slow image search through more than a months's worht of screenshots just to figureo ut what order my channels were in
<andlabs>
my four channels, one of which has since moved to a different network anyway
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