cr1901 changed the topic of ##yamahasynths to: Channel dedicated to questions and discussion of Yamaha FM Synthesizer internals and corresponding REing. Discussion of synthesis methods similar to the Yamaha line of chips, Sound Blasters + clones, PCM chips like RF5C68, and CD theory of operation are also on-topic. Channel logs: https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/~h~yamahasynths
<andlabs> weird alternate reality where cnet used the CNN logo font
<andlabs> cnet the modern website
<andlabs> yes I know about cnet the amiga BBS company which I assume is the same one that makes whatever disk that is
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<tpw_rules> do it for gba
<cr1901> It's already a PITA enough to do it for a hosted platform w/ allocation, why would I make it more difficult :P?
<tpw_rules> because it would be cool and has vaguely similar sound hardware to the amiga
<cr1901> GBA has this interesting property where if you don't tell the sound hardware to stop incrementing registers, it'll eventually overflow and start treating ROM as sound
<cr1901> which is why you get that unique sound when it crashes (even in emulators)
<tpw_rules> hm i can't really recall crashing a gameboy
<tpw_rules> well not an advanced
<cr1901> well, ripping out the cart while it's running is the easiest
<cr1901> I've just heard it in emulator contexts as well, where there's no equivalent
<tpw_rules> huh nocash messed up his html formatting, blech
<tpw_rules> also i would figure the ROM is too far away from the RAM for that to happen easily...?
<tpw_rules> btw do you happen to know a simple way or program to delete a sample from an .xm
<cr1901> I do not, I'm afraid
<cr1901> And re: GBA, I'm prob explaining it poorly. It does have something to do with "the ROM is treated as music" tho
<cr1901> and overflow back to 0 is why the sound repeats
<tpw_rules> that doesn't make much sense to me
<cr1901> I'm doing a terrible job explaining it, sorry :(
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<cr1901> I'm not going to be able to close the Freenode channel I don't think. Freenode #discferret was just forcefully reopened/had a mode change by a bot
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<cr1901> (Right... this is happening to official channels. I think I can safely close the Freenode one when ready b/c I'm using two hashes already)
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<Lord_Nightmare> cr1901 probably the right time, can you kickban everyone from the channel, change the topic to point to libera, then drop channel registration or something?
<Lord_Nightmare> and mode +m
<Lord_Nightmare> dunno
<Lord_Nightmare> something to salt the earth
<cr1901> balrog: I could use some help here if you're around
<balrog> cr1901: I am
<miek> i'd suggest obfuscating the topic message too so their automated thing doesn't pick it up
<balrog> I would not do that, I would probably PM people? or put an obfuscated topic message
<balrog> I'm afraid an automated notice or a +m would attract attention
<cr1901> Relay is going down... now
<balrog> do I have rights here?
<balrog> no I do not
<balrog> you could also do something else, like tell people to look at a website or a tweet
<NiGHTS> [freenode] ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) set mode +o cr1901_modern on ##yamahasynths
<cr1901> balrog: Can you rejoin on Freenode for the last time and help me w/ this?
<balrog> I'm on freenode
<balrog> wait, I keep confusing myself
<cr1901> Join the room so I can give ops
<NiGHTS> [freenode] ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) set mode +o balrog on ##yamahasynths
<balrog> I do have flags here
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <balrog> cr1901_modern: what do you want me to do?
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <cr1901_modern> Help me kick+ban everyone (I'll send the relevant ppl msgs) and help me unregister+close the channel. Give me advice on how to salt the earth
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <balrog> cr1901_modern: can you think of a message to send out?
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <balrog> (thanks marcan)
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <cr1901_modern> Yea, that's fine. I can msg each person individually
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <cr1901_modern> I'll take care of that part
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <balrog> save the list of users, I'll use CLEAR USERS with a message though
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <balrog> the more messages the better
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <cr1901_modern> I took a screencap
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <balrog> to clear the channel I'll set +l 1
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <balrog> since they might be looking for +i
<NiGHTS> [freenode] ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) set mode +l 1 on ##yamahasynths
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <balrog> cr1901_modern: just "This channel has been moved to libera dot chat. Please join there", or is that too specific?
<NiGHTS> [freenode] <cr1901_modern> Works for me
<cr1901> (Idk what half of these flags do)
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<cr1901> I have no clue what balrog just did, but it worked
<balrog> it's a chanserv command
<balrog> it mass kicks everyone
<balrog> I also set a 1 person user limit
<balrog> and I'm camping out in there
<cr1901> KitsuWhooa: We can of course keep the bot around, but the Relay is not needed anymore
<Lord_Nightmare> we could do a discord-irc relay
<cr1901> Discord to what?
<Lord_Nightmare> here
<Lord_Nightmare> if you mean "which discord"... I don't know
<cr1901> I've batted around bridging to the Yamaha FM Synth Discord that nukeykt is part of before, but I don't know anyone there. Could there be a MAME Discord room we bridge to, solely for discussing the FM synths?
<cr1901> That seems like it would generate reasonable interest
<cr1901> It would also (probably) be modded by ppl I know and who I could trust
<Lord_Nightmare> You'd need to ask sarayan
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<andlabs> and yeah there is a MAME discord
<andlabs> mogminer did offer to invite me before they left but I didn't take it up at the time because I was going through som personal hell
<andlabs> I need to go back and consider joining the discords I've been invited to
<andlabs> but at the same time... discord is 😕😬
<Lofty> Oh goody, I wake up (thanks insomnia) and freenode is doing the shittiest thing.
<cr1901> mogminer left MAME?
<Lofty> (#ckb-next got hit by the freenode bot)
<fseidel> cr1901: that's the most MOD-sounding MOD I've heard in a while :-)
<cr1901> It's my favorite MOD
<cr1901> It _almost_ makes learning how to make a Paula emulator worth it
<cr1901> almost
<NiGHTS> Jester - “Cyberride” (Amiga MOD) [Oscilloscope View] - YouTube
<andlabs> I think they went back? I forgot already, even though they told me, because I'm shitty at acquaintances and sporadic with remembering details :D
<cr1901> Good samples
<cr1901> Anyways, I'm open to the idea of a bridge w/ MAME Discord
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<andlabs> oh yeah did I post my sampledisk acquisiton yesterday
<andlabs> I was going to say I'm pretty sure it's the real deal too
<andlabs> (which is what I was looking for)
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<KitsuWhooa> %part ##yamahasynths@freenode
<KitsuWhooa> well that didn't work
<KitsuWhooa> %paty
<KitsuWhooa> %part
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<KitsuWhooa> I do not know what I was thinking honestly
<KitsuWhooa> I'll do it in a pm
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<Stiletto> <cr1901> I've batted around bridging to the Yamaha FM Synth Discord that nukeykt is part of before, but I don't know anyone there. Could there be a MAME Discord room we bridge to, solely for discussing the FM synths?
<Stiletto> I'm fine with that, if that's what you guys want to do, but Sarayan has the crown :)
<cr1901> I'll wait till Sarayan is around
<Sarayan> errr what?
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<cr1901> Sarayan: Would you object to a discord bridge to MAME, for a new channel called #yamahasynths on the discord side?
<Sarayan> Why would we want that?
<cr1901> It came up yesterday? Ask Lord_Nightmare, he's the one who brought it up
<cr1901> I guess the idea is there are ppl who are the intersection of 1. Use MAME discord, 2. Do not use IRC, 3. Are interested specifically in FM emulation, and their input would be valuable
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<andlabs> honestly I don't get the purpose
<andlabs> this really isn't MAME-specific
<andlabs> you said there was a Yamaha FM discord?
<andlabs> I've now seen a picture of andrew lee and uhhh
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<andlabs> also I guess since some of you have access I might as well say what's happening with https://twitter.com/xdanieldzd/status/1395497465948868608
<andlabs> as a mild suggestion
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<sorear> access to what?
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<__sen> I'm confused what the suggestion is, in this case?
<sorear> i have no idea what any of the above means except textfiles being textfiles
<KitsuWhooa> I don't even know that =p
<KitsuWhooa> or, then?
<KitsuWhooa> *them
<tpw_rules> blah, he is an ass imho
<andlabs> ok
<balrog> andlabs: Jason Scott blocks people he finds annoying
<andlabs> all right
<Lord_Nightmare> jason also said he'd block anyone discussing snake oil tokens on twitter
<Lord_Nightmare> so that retweet probably did it
<cr1901> andlabs: I don't want to link with the Yamaha discord because I don't know anyone there except nukeykt
<cr1901> Lord_Nightmare suggested linking w/ SOME Discord tho, so I proposed an alternative
<cr1901> So that ppl in MAME who are big into the synths, but not-so-big into IRC can participate
<cr1901> But since Sarayan is lukewarm on the idea, I'm dropping it
<Lord_Nightmare> there IS a yamaha discord, "the fourth modulator"
<cr1901> Oh ffs
<Lord_Nightmare> that would make a bit more sense
<Lord_Nightmare> than MAME
<cr1901> I can't tell if you're being serious or making a joke
<cr1901> About how algorithm 0 causes Discord if you use it
<Lord_Nightmare> ... that's hilarious
<Lord_Nightmare> TFM discord is at https://discord.gg/PSwpJ85
<NiGHTS> The Fourth Modulator
<andlabs> moving on
<andlabs> oh we did move on ok
<andlabs> is this the one nukeykt is in or is that a different one?
<cr1901> Yes, appears so
<cr1901> More tailored to general FM synthesis
<andlabs> ah neat
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<cr1901> Lord_Nightmare: I recognize a few names, but I'm effectively an outsider in that community. Idk how I'd go about requesting a bridge
<KitsuWhooa> ~As long as the channel doesn't fill with haha lol funny memes and constant "emoji"~
<superctr> if this channel is bridged with that discord server, I will leave
<Lord_Nightmare> that bad, eh?
<Lord_Nightmare> I'm not very active there, but I know its one of the topical fm synthesis discords
<Lord_Nightmare> if there's objectionable stuff going on there, though, I'm fine bridging elsewhere instead
<cr1901> I don't have anywhere else to bridge. Let's revisit the topic in a few months.
<cr1901> (of a bridge period. Not to The Fourth Modulator.)
<superctr> Maybe it's better to wait until Libera has Matrix integration
<cr1901> Do Matrix clients bridge to Discord? /me is clueless
<superctr> No, but Matrix has pretty good integration with IRC
<Lord_Nightmare> everyone keeps pushing matrix so hard... what does that give us extra?
<KitsuWhooa> people can use it on their phones more easily
<Lord_Nightmare> I've never used it before, my phone can't even run it
<cr1901> IRC integration
<KitsuWhooa> and they can have a modern UI if they want to
<superctr> You stay connected even after you quit the client
<superctr> no need for a ZNC
<cr1901> It's like "IRCv3, if IRCv3 was ever implemented"
<KitsuWhooa> personally I can't stand modern UIs, and weechat-matrix still needs some work apparently
<Lord_Nightmare> so basically wave/discord but open source
<superctr> IRCv3 is vaporware
<KitsuWhooa> so I haven't touched it
<KitsuWhooa> IRCds do implement parts of IRCv3 :p
<cr1901> Yea, daemon support is okay for v3. Clients, not so much
<sorear> the other stuff is nice to have but the killer app is being able to follow a conversation while being connected one minute on, one minute off
<KitsuWhooa> weechat relay does that well for me personally
<cr1901> Lord_Nightmare: What's Wave?
<KitsuWhooa> but obviously not everyone can do that
<sorear> also IRCv3 does not actually have that feature
<sorear> last I checked
<cr1901> the link embed feature?
<sorear> the "history and presence don't require a TCP connection" feature
<cr1901> ahhh
<cr1901> balrog: I think we did everything right, but it still might not save us :'D. Tyvm for your help last night. https://twitter.com/Phoul/status/1397394903999545345
<balrog> cr1901: I guess we'll see
<balrog> their staff seem fully intent on destroying what's left
<cr1901> 20 years to build a community... 1 week to destroy it
<cr1901> The asymmetry of trust and mistrust is interesting
<sorear> the rubble took 1 week to fall to the ground but the damage has been visible since 2017, i just wish there were a viable path to migrate community channels prior to this week
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<superctr> freenode has a bot that goes through every channel with "libera" in the topic
<superctr> it's a debacle
<superctr> i had a hunch that it would come to this
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<cr1901> Hi alexisvl, thanks for stopping by :)
<alexisvl> o/
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<cr1901> superctr: This is why the Freenode version of this channel has +I 1 on it. I hope it keeps out the bot
<superctr> i doubt it, the bot has oper privileges and can do whatever
<superctr> including joining private channels
<cr1901> But seeing that the bot is making its way into private channels requiring a key, maybe not
<sorear> name rings a bell
<superctr> what I think would be best is to not mention libera in the topic, rather have a bot that repeats the "this channel has moved to libera" message every few minutes or so
<superctr> Sure they could ban the bot but I don't think they will, assuming it stays in one channel the whole time
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<balrog> superctr: they did for ##chat
<balrog> but that's a popular channel
<cr1901> Idk what the could meaningfully hijack w/ a channel w/ a "niche" interest like this, but the idea skeeves me period
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<KitsuWhooa> but but
<KitsuWhooa> it's in the interest of the community!
<superctr> a peaceful split would have been the best outcome for all, let people move their channels, bridge them or whatever
<superctr> But now, freenode is moving everyone's hands
<andlabs> how long until ## channels are taken over leading to ### channels
<cr1901> You joke, but...
<superctr> it's so stupid, I can't see how anyone could side with them taking over channels like this, meanwhile baiting people in the culture war and whatever
<superctr> I don't want to have anything to do with them anymore
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<andlabs> one more channel decommissioned; one to go
<andlabs> (byt he owners this time)
<andlabs> once the chaos quiets down mayb ewe can stop talking about all this lol
<cr1901> Well yes. But the chaos ensues right now (in addition to, yes, ppl like drama. It's me I'm ppl)
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<cr1901> Aaand with that, I've reached out to everyone who was banned. Up to them if they migrate. But 38/50 or so ain't bad
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<ValleyBell> regarding The Fourth Modulator: I think that Discord server+channels go into a different direction than ##yamahasynths
<ValleyBell> It's more of a ... composer / "userland" view maybe.
<cr1901> That is my opinion as well, after lurking for a bit- it's more about creating FM tunes. Which don't get me wrong, is amazing and I wish I were better at it
<cr1901> Knowing how the chips work != "you're good at making music w/ them". Case in point, me
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<andlabs> well I want to do both so
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<cr1901> x-post from #tendra: 23:53 < TD-Linux> freenode just implemented automatic klines on mention of libera.chat fyi
<cr1901> ARE YOU SHITTING ME?!
<andlabs> lol
<superctr> Someone is salty :P
<andlabs> desperately trying to lose
<Ultrasauce> this is misinformation fyi
<alexisvl> awww, I wanted to try :(
<Ultrasauce> if you want a kline there i'm sure they are well within reach
<cr1901> Ultrasauce: Yea, I just learned that, thanks
<cr1901> They set up a mirror of #freenode-policy-feedback here called ##ob-freenode-policy-feedback
<cr1901> Kinda like MST3K, except for a dying IRC network
<Ultrasauce> ran out of popcorn already unfortunately
<cr1901> One of the mods in freenode-policy mentioned that "available on the following networks: irc.foo.net, etc" is acceptable
<cr1901> so that would contradict what I pasted
<andlabs> we'll see how long that lasts
<superctr> can you even see joins/quits in that ob channel
<superctr> kinda against the point if you can't see when someone gets klined
<cr1901> And the bot just got k-lined
<cr1901> lmfao
<cr1901> I'm fucking dying
<cr1901> (or it's lagging... one of the two)
<cr1901> superctr: You can see mode sets
<cr1901> Idk about actual kicks tho
<madeline> i've gotten a lot less work done this past week thanks to irc drama
<madeline> which is impressive
<andlabs> same
<andlabs> well
<andlabs> all my dramas, really
<andlabs> :S
<alexisvl> oh, yeah
<andlabs> oh speaking of
<alexisvl> I also got very little work done this week
<alexisvl> totally because of irc ~
<andlabs> the console5 capacitors came
<andlabs> and I have my snips now
<andlabs> we'll see when I actually try fixing this mac LC
<andlabs> probably after I get this amiga 2000 just right
<cr1901> Same... it has not been a fun week
<cr1901> I thought console5 was referencing that hyperkin thing where they stole all the emulator source code
<cr1901> Nope, it's a repair shop
<superctr> they sell capacitor replacement kits for various consoles and computers
<superctr> pretty nice
<andlabs> I wish they identified the type of capacitors they sold
<andlabs> but shrug
<andlabs> I also bought their set of CD32 caps
<andlabs> I'll use the one that's betters, theirs or retro-bench's non-solid polymer ones
<andlabs> lol
<andlabs> getting the quasselites involved
<andlabs> true solidarity being achieved
<cr1901> I don't know what that entails, tbh
<andlabs> nothing, I'm being silly
<andlabs> I always just imagined quassel as the Highbrow choice for some reason
<andlabs> also being silly: https://twitter.com/pgandlabs/status/1397422390792101889 my dumb joke from last night that I'm reposting for some reason
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<justJanne> Oh hi
<cr1901> lmao... it's like all we have to do is mention someone, and they appear :D
<justJanne> With enough magic sure :)
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<cr1901> justJanne: So that linked tweet, your app now just plain treats Freenode as deceptive?
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<andlabs> lol
<andlabs> hello I guess whoever you are
<andlabs> oh riht you're the quassel developer mentioned in the tweet
<cr1901> Yes, the tweet was independently linked in another room, and kuschku was in the tweet thread I linked earlier today
<cr1901> So I couldn't resist
<justJanne> cr1901: yes, exactly
<justJanne> If it sees any channel that's on any freenode.net server it shows that warning
<justJanne> It can be disabled in the settings, for power users who haven't migrated yet
<andlabs> hmmm
<andlabs> freenode servers are all named after scifi authors
<andlabs> I wonder if any scifi book has predicted this scenario?
<justJanne> But it prevents new users or regulars from accidentally stumbling on a freenode channel and thinking it's official
<andlabs> libera servers are using names of metals instead
<cr1901> That's really good UX, considering not all sites/links will be updated
<justJanne> I did, I predicted the scenario 2017 when Andrew Lee tried to buy quasseldroid as well
<cr1901> across the 'net
<andlabs> ....oh yikes
<andlabs> wait is quasseldroid separate from quassel proper?
<cr1901> I'm _almost_ migrated, but there's two groups I _have_ to keep in contact w/ who aren't migrating yet. So alas :(
<justJanne> andlabs: yup, entirely separate
<justJanne> Although we do now share some code
<andlabs> I'm just waiting for #macdev to either migrate officially or have enough activity in libera to count
<justJanne> But independent servers, independent infra, independent teams, (although we do share some devs)
<justJanne> Ubuntu just cname's irc.ubuntu.com from freenode over to libera
<andlabs> alas #mesonbuild looks like it's moving to OFTC instead
<justJanne> Also a solution
<balrog> hi justJanne!
<andlabs> I kinda didn't want to OFTC because I've got bad past experiences with the wine and possibly also mingw people but whatever
<balrog> I sure hope more clients do that
<andlabs> need to disconnect that from the rest of the server
<andlabs> justJanne: ah ok
<balrog> my main annoyance with OFTC is that they still don't have SASL PLAIN
<andlabs> also lol I just remembered
<sorear> hi alexisvl
<balrog> they have cert based auth but it's annoying
<andlabs> usefulcharts did a video on the korean royal family
<andlabs> had to look it up
<andlabs> nope andrew lee is not mentioned at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdP-U4sEcD4
<NiGHTS> Korean Kings Family Tree - YouTube
<andlabs> oh wait no
<andlabs> it is there
<andlabs> matt is just confused like the rest of us
<alexisvl> sup sorear
<madeline> he's a pretender to a nonexistant throne
<justJanne> andlabs: he's adopted
<madeline> it's great
<justJanne> He was adoped by Yi Seok
<andlabs> did he buy his way in?
<andlabs> or did he buy his way in?
<justJanne> Who himself isn't actually first in line
<justJanne> Yi Woo is
<andlabs> maybe it was purchased
<justJanne> andlabs: he did buy himself in
<andlabs> :V
<justJanne> To get adopted by Yi Seok
<justJanne> :D
<andlabs> also I think he's in the photo in the video
<andlabs> meh
<andlabs> he looks like if tommy wiseau was eddie van halen
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<andlabs> of course
<andlabs> anyway another hypothesis people are having is that the goal is to make freenode into a Social Network type thing
<andlabs> which uhh
<andlabs> no
<andlabs> but also led to me making this joke which is turning out to be the most popular thing I posted on the mater, somehow? https://twitter.com/pgandlabs/status/1397570910299820033
<justJanne> Yes and not
<andlabs> *popular and liked
<justJanne> No need to speculate
<andlabs> (as opposed to me misinterpreting something /dev/urandom said)
<justJanne> Andrew Lee grew up as a teen in the 90s on IRC
<justJanne> He is still nostalgic for that
<tpw_rules> andlabs: i mena that's more or less what andrew lee's official site says
<justJanne> After taking a hundred million Out of the mtgox situation, he and his buddy mark karpeles founded PIA and associated companies
<tpw_rules> https://www.irc.com/lets-take-irc-further i can't wait for the cash prizes, personally
<NiGHTS> Let's take IRC Further
<andlabs> lovely
<justJanne> Then he spent quite a bit on snoonet, irc.com, and freenose
<justJanne> *node
<tpw_rules> actually never mind i mean tumblr^Wirc university
<andlabs> ...
<andlabs> wait
<andlabs> wait
<andlabs> hold up
<andlabs> PIA as in Private Internet Access?
<tpw_rules> yes
<justJanne> Yes of course
<justJanne> It's all one
<andlabs> the not-a-NounVPN VPN that Linus Sebastian is pimping?
<andlabs> fucking shit
<justJanne> PIA, shells.com, Freenode, Snoonet
<justJanne> All one company
<sorear> PIA was spun off and claims to be currently unaffiliated with Andrew Lee
<andlabs> someone should tell him to drop the sponsorship
<justJanne> Shells.com is now the new thing linus is peddling
<andlabs> ...
<andlabs> rolling the eyes
<justJanne> He won't, Lee is paying faaar too much
<justJanne> Lee pays more than dbrand at times
<andlabs> also I thought he was currently on the Honey scam train
<sorear> at the time andrew lee bought freenode PIA was the parent brand, it was phrased everywhere as "freenode bought by VPN company"
<andlabs> well so much for me ever mentioning him again I guess
<justJanne> I wouldn't know, I'm using youtube Vances
<justJanne> *d
<andlabs> not that I really liked him
<justJanne> Watching him atm tbh 😅
<andlabs> he has a bunch of good videos but every time I keep running into one really problematic one
<andlabs> and that just puts me off
<alexisvl> hm. problematic or ~~problematic~~
<cr1901> andlabs: I heard Honey was a scam, but Idk much about it
<andlabs> not int he SJW sense thank god
<cr1901> I heard it in the context of a certain Critic's god-awful review of The Wall
* alexisvl hasn't watched that guy in a long time
<alexisvl> andlabs: oh good.
<andlabs> in the "uhh I really don't want to be his friend" sense
<alexisvl> oh
<alexisvl> (I meant "problematic as in incorrect about everything as usual" or "problematic as in kinda probably not a great person")
<andlabs> [18:10:00] <cr1901>I heard it in the context of a certain Critic's god-awful review of The Wall
<andlabs> THANK YOU
<andlabs> I FORGOT WHICH VIDEO I HEARD THAT IN
<andlabs> that was the one
<madeline> have you heard the shells.com rap
<andlabs> anyway paypal is now also pimping honey support so
<cr1901> it was Foldablehumans video IIRC
<andlabs> yes
<andlabs> dan olson is good and pure
<cr1901> He mentioned it was a scam but didn't elaborate
<cr1901> I mean I totally believe it
<cr1901> NordVPN is a scam too, and everyone preaches that
<andlabs> I was just amused by the name
<andlabs> Private Internet Access
<cr1901> (Btw, if I ever get so well-known that NordVPN offers me a sponsorship and I accept, smack me across the head)
<andlabs> as in We Really Want To Be Different From The Norm
<cr1901> multiple times.
<andlabs> (also We Don't Know What ISPs Are So Our Name Makes Us Sound Liek One)
<andlabs> also if you don't read his video descriptions
<andlabs> go back and read the description on the comfortably doug one
<andlabs> it explains the really shitty circumstance on which he was dropped from The Channel
<andlabs> whichs hould have been a red flag back in 2014 but lol
<justJanne> Fun fact
<andlabs> (tl;dr "take down your gamergate video or you're fired" "no")
<justJanne> PIA was the only VPN provider that was allowed on snoonet and freenode for a while
<andlabs> lol
<andlabs> even better
<justJanne> Because PIA guaranteed that it would be able to block a user based on an IP that was connected at a certain timestamp
<andlabs> anyway I didn't mean Social Network like IRC in the early 1990s
<andlabs> but sure
<andlabs> that makes sense too
<justJanne> Which shows that they do have logging
<andlabs> the early 1990s was a very Not Safe For Non-whites time
<KitsuWhooa> Raid Shadow Legends
<andlabs> and Non-males
<andlabs> KitsuWhooa: I need to make a generic pay to win moba name generator
<andlabs> I can't tell any of these apart anymore
<cr1901> Just take a light novel generator and reduce the number of words it outputs?
<andlabs> that probably won't result in names in the same spirit
<andlabs> Little Sister Cute does not sound intimidating enough
<cr1901> fair
<cr1901> andlabs: Wait, foldablehuman was once part of CA? ._.
<cr1901> And they dropped him b/c of Ethics Crusade?
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<andlabs> indeed
<andlabs> ah yes wicked, the famous musical known for its yamaha synths /s
<cr1901> Never seen it
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<KitsuWhooa> can't wait for the Audacity Mobile Pro app
<KitsuWhooa> Also, yeah, no, I don't believe that
<KitsuWhooa> we'll see I guess
<KitsuWhooa> Rasengan also said he wouldn't mess with freenode at all, and here we are now
<sorear> he gave us four years, which we proceeded to not use
<cr1901> I thought no one knew the extent of how much he owned Freenode until about a month ago
<KitsuWhooa> ^
<KitsuWhooa> supposedly it was between him and christel
<KitsuWhooa> and then christel sold it off and here we are
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<sorear> pretty sure I saw that go down in real time but we didn't really have anywhere to move to
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<cr1901> I seem to very vaguely recall seeing this tweet in real time
<KitsuWhooa> yeah, well :p
<KitsuWhooa> tbh I thought PIA was good for sponsoring freenode in the first place
<KitsuWhooa> but it was recently I found out that none of that money went to any of the staff
<KitsuWhooa> or the servers
<andlabs> ah, christel
<andlabs> that's who we should be blaming
<andlabs> ok
<Ultrasauce> from what i heard she was in a tight spot
<andlabs> anyway yeah Audacity is owned by other awful people
<andlabs> unfortunatley there's no real alternative right now
<sorear> the nice thing about being the kind of autistic that never wants to hear computers make noise is it solves a ton of foss support issues
* KitsuWhooa cries in maintaining his github issue tracker
<Ultrasauce> never wrestling with pulse/alsa/jack/pipewire must be a blessed state
<andlabs> KitsuWhooa: ?
<andlabs> also what does audacity have to do with linux audio drivers
<andlabs> audacity is a wavefile editor
<Ultrasauce> they both make noise?
<andlabs> heh
<Ultrasauce> and interact (poorly) through various apis
<KitsuWhooa> audacity in 2021 uses portaudio and completely fucks up my audio
<KitsuWhooa> that's what
<KitsuWhooa> andlabs: I was making a joke based on "foss support issues"
<KitsuWhooa> doesn't help that pulseaudio still hasn't gotten alsa emulation right
<KitsuWhooa> I really want pipewire to succeed. Last time I tried it, it blew my ears and I couldn't control the volume, so it was an instanope
<KitsuWhooa> but if it does go well, it should just emulate pulse/alsa/jack transparently
<andlabs> oh