cr1901 changed the topic of ##yamahasynths to: Channel dedicated to questions and discussion of Yamaha FM Synthesizer internals and corresponding REing. Discussion of synthesis methods similar to the Yamaha line of chips, Sound Blasters + clones, PCM chips like RF5C68, and CD theory of operation are also on-topic. Channel logs: https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/~h~yamahasynths
<andlabs>
weird alternate reality where cnet used the CNN logo font
<andlabs>
cnet the modern website
<andlabs>
yes I know about cnet the amiga BBS company which I assume is the same one that makes whatever disk that is
<cr1901>
It's already a PITA enough to do it for a hosted platform w/ allocation, why would I make it more difficult :P?
<tpw_rules>
because it would be cool and has vaguely similar sound hardware to the amiga
<cr1901>
GBA has this interesting property where if you don't tell the sound hardware to stop incrementing registers, it'll eventually overflow and start treating ROM as sound
<cr1901>
which is why you get that unique sound when it crashes (even in emulators)
<tpw_rules>
hm i can't really recall crashing a gameboy
<tpw_rules>
well not an advanced
<cr1901>
well, ripping out the cart while it's running is the easiest
<cr1901>
I've just heard it in emulator contexts as well, where there's no equivalent
<tpw_rules>
huh nocash messed up his html formatting, blech
<tpw_rules>
also i would figure the ROM is too far away from the RAM for that to happen easily...?
<tpw_rules>
btw do you happen to know a simple way or program to delete a sample from an .xm
<cr1901>
I do not, I'm afraid
<cr1901>
And re: GBA, I'm prob explaining it poorly. It does have something to do with "the ROM is treated as music" tho
<cr1901>
and overflow back to 0 is why the sound repeats
<tpw_rules>
that doesn't make much sense to me
<cr1901>
I'm doing a terrible job explaining it, sorry :(
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<cr1901>
I'm not going to be able to close the Freenode channel I don't think. Freenode #discferret was just forcefully reopened/had a mode change by a bot
<NiGHTS>
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<cr1901>
(Right... this is happening to official channels. I think I can safely close the Freenode one when ready b/c I'm using two hashes already)
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<Lord_Nightmare>
cr1901 probably the right time, can you kickban everyone from the channel, change the topic to point to libera, then drop channel registration or something?
<Lord_Nightmare>
and mode +m
<Lord_Nightmare>
dunno
<Lord_Nightmare>
something to salt the earth
<cr1901>
balrog: I could use some help here if you're around
<balrog>
cr1901: I am
<miek>
i'd suggest obfuscating the topic message too so their automated thing doesn't pick it up
<balrog>
I would not do that, I would probably PM people? or put an obfuscated topic message
<balrog>
I'm afraid an automated notice or a +m would attract attention
<cr1901>
Relay is going down... now
<balrog>
do I have rights here?
<balrog>
no I do not
<balrog>
you could also do something else, like tell people to look at a website or a tweet
<NiGHTS>
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<cr1901>
balrog: Can you rejoin on Freenode for the last time and help me w/ this?
<balrog>
I'm on freenode
<balrog>
wait, I keep confusing myself
<cr1901>
Join the room so I can give ops
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) set mode +o balrog on ##yamahasynths
<balrog>
I do have flags here
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <balrog> cr1901_modern: what do you want me to do?
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <cr1901_modern> Help me kick+ban everyone (I'll send the relevant ppl msgs) and help me unregister+close the channel. Give me advice on how to salt the earth
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <balrog> cr1901_modern: can you think of a message to send out?
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <balrog> (thanks marcan)
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <cr1901_modern> Yea, that's fine. I can msg each person individually
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <cr1901_modern> I'll take care of that part
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <balrog> save the list of users, I'll use CLEAR USERS with a message though
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <balrog> the more messages the better
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <cr1901_modern> I took a screencap
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <balrog> to clear the channel I'll set +l 1
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <balrog> since they might be looking for +i
<NiGHTS>
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<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <balrog> cr1901_modern: just "This channel has been moved to libera dot chat. Please join there", or is that too specific?
<NiGHTS>
[freenode] <cr1901_modern> Works for me
<cr1901>
(Idk what half of these flags do)
<NiGHTS>
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<NiGHTS>
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<NiGHTS>
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<cr1901>
I have no clue what balrog just did, but it worked
<balrog>
it's a chanserv command
<balrog>
it mass kicks everyone
<balrog>
I also set a 1 person user limit
<balrog>
and I'm camping out in there
<cr1901>
KitsuWhooa: We can of course keep the bot around, but the Relay is not needed anymore
<Lord_Nightmare>
we could do a discord-irc relay
<cr1901>
Discord to what?
<Lord_Nightmare>
here
<Lord_Nightmare>
if you mean "which discord"... I don't know
<cr1901>
I've batted around bridging to the Yamaha FM Synth Discord that nukeykt is part of before, but I don't know anyone there. Could there be a MAME Discord room we bridge to, solely for discussing the FM synths?
<cr1901>
That seems like it would generate reasonable interest
<cr1901>
It would also (probably) be modded by ppl I know and who I could trust
<andlabs>
I think they went back? I forgot already, even though they told me, because I'm shitty at acquaintances and sporadic with remembering details :D
<cr1901>
Good samples
<cr1901>
Anyways, I'm open to the idea of a bridge w/ MAME Discord
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<andlabs>
oh yeah did I post my sampledisk acquisiton yesterday
<andlabs>
I was going to say I'm pretty sure it's the real deal too
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<KitsuWhooa>
%part ##yamahasynths@freenode
<KitsuWhooa>
well that didn't work
<KitsuWhooa>
%paty
<KitsuWhooa>
%part
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<KitsuWhooa>
I do not know what I was thinking honestly
<KitsuWhooa>
I'll do it in a pm
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<Stiletto>
<cr1901> I've batted around bridging to the Yamaha FM Synth Discord that nukeykt is part of before, but I don't know anyone there. Could there be a MAME Discord room we bridge to, solely for discussing the FM synths?
<Stiletto>
I'm fine with that, if that's what you guys want to do, but Sarayan has the crown :)
<cr1901>
I'll wait till Sarayan is around
<Sarayan>
errr what?
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<cr1901>
Sarayan: Would you object to a discord bridge to MAME, for a new channel called #yamahasynths on the discord side?
<Sarayan>
Why would we want that?
<cr1901>
It came up yesterday? Ask Lord_Nightmare, he's the one who brought it up
<cr1901>
I guess the idea is there are ppl who are the intersection of 1. Use MAME discord, 2. Do not use IRC, 3. Are interested specifically in FM emulation, and their input would be valuable
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<andlabs>
honestly I don't get the purpose
<andlabs>
this really isn't MAME-specific
<andlabs>
you said there was a Yamaha FM discord?
<andlabs>
I've now seen a picture of andrew lee and uhhh
<balrog>
their staff seem fully intent on destroying what's left
<cr1901>
20 years to build a community... 1 week to destroy it
<cr1901>
The asymmetry of trust and mistrust is interesting
<sorear>
the rubble took 1 week to fall to the ground but the damage has been visible since 2017, i just wish there were a viable path to migrate community channels prior to this week
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<superctr>
freenode has a bot that goes through every channel with "libera" in the topic
<superctr>
it's a debacle
<superctr>
i had a hunch that it would come to this
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<cr1901>
Hi alexisvl, thanks for stopping by :)
<alexisvl>
o/
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<cr1901>
superctr: This is why the Freenode version of this channel has +I 1 on it. I hope it keeps out the bot
<superctr>
i doubt it, the bot has oper privileges and can do whatever
<superctr>
including joining private channels
<cr1901>
But seeing that the bot is making its way into private channels requiring a key, maybe not
<sorear>
name rings a bell
<superctr>
what I think would be best is to not mention libera in the topic, rather have a bot that repeats the "this channel has moved to libera" message every few minutes or so
<superctr>
Sure they could ban the bot but I don't think they will, assuming it stays in one channel the whole time
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<balrog>
superctr: they did for ##chat
<balrog>
but that's a popular channel
<cr1901>
Idk what the could meaningfully hijack w/ a channel w/ a "niche" interest like this, but the idea skeeves me period
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<KitsuWhooa>
but but
<KitsuWhooa>
it's in the interest of the community!
<superctr>
a peaceful split would have been the best outcome for all, let people move their channels, bridge them or whatever
<superctr>
But now, freenode is moving everyone's hands
<andlabs>
how long until ## channels are taken over leading to ### channels
<cr1901>
You joke, but...
<superctr>
it's so stupid, I can't see how anyone could side with them taking over channels like this, meanwhile baiting people in the culture war and whatever
<superctr>
I don't want to have anything to do with them anymore
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<andlabs>
one more channel decommissioned; one to go
<andlabs>
(byt he owners this time)
<andlabs>
once the chaos quiets down mayb ewe can stop talking about all this lol
<cr1901>
Well yes. But the chaos ensues right now (in addition to, yes, ppl like drama. It's me I'm ppl)
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<cr1901>
Aaand with that, I've reached out to everyone who was banned. Up to them if they migrate. But 38/50 or so ain't bad
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<ValleyBell>
regarding The Fourth Modulator: I think that Discord server+channels go into a different direction than ##yamahasynths
<ValleyBell>
It's more of a ... composer / "userland" view maybe.
<cr1901>
That is my opinion as well, after lurking for a bit- it's more about creating FM tunes. Which don't get me wrong, is amazing and I wish I were better at it
<cr1901>
Knowing how the chips work != "you're good at making music w/ them". Case in point, me
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<andlabs>
well I want to do both so
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<cr1901>
x-post from #tendra: 23:53 < TD-Linux> freenode just implemented automatic klines on mention of libera.chat fyi
<cr1901>
ARE YOU SHITTING ME?!
<andlabs>
lol
<superctr>
Someone is salty :P
<andlabs>
desperately trying to lose
<Ultrasauce>
this is misinformation fyi
<alexisvl>
awww, I wanted to try :(
<Ultrasauce>
if you want a kline there i'm sure they are well within reach
<cr1901>
Ultrasauce: Yea, I just learned that, thanks
<cr1901>
They set up a mirror of #freenode-policy-feedback here called ##ob-freenode-policy-feedback
<cr1901>
Kinda like MST3K, except for a dying IRC network
<Ultrasauce>
ran out of popcorn already unfortunately
<cr1901>
One of the mods in freenode-policy mentioned that "available on the following networks: irc.foo.net, etc" is acceptable
<cr1901>
so that would contradict what I pasted
<andlabs>
we'll see how long that lasts
<superctr>
can you even see joins/quits in that ob channel
<superctr>
kinda against the point if you can't see when someone gets klined
<cr1901>
And the bot just got k-lined
<cr1901>
lmfao
<cr1901>
I'm fucking dying
<cr1901>
(or it's lagging... one of the two)
<cr1901>
superctr: You can see mode sets
<cr1901>
Idk about actual kicks tho
<madeline>
i've gotten a lot less work done this past week thanks to irc drama
<madeline>
which is impressive
<andlabs>
same
<andlabs>
well
<andlabs>
all my dramas, really
<andlabs>
:S
<alexisvl>
oh, yeah
<andlabs>
oh speaking of
<alexisvl>
I also got very little work done this week
<alexisvl>
totally because of irc ~
<andlabs>
the console5 capacitors came
<andlabs>
and I have my snips now
<andlabs>
we'll see when I actually try fixing this mac LC
<andlabs>
probably after I get this amiga 2000 just right
<cr1901>
Same... it has not been a fun week
<cr1901>
I thought console5 was referencing that hyperkin thing where they stole all the emulator source code
<cr1901>
Nope, it's a repair shop
<superctr>
they sell capacitor replacement kits for various consoles and computers
<superctr>
pretty nice
<andlabs>
I wish they identified the type of capacitors they sold
<andlabs>
but shrug
<andlabs>
I also bought their set of CD32 caps
<andlabs>
I'll use the one that's betters, theirs or retro-bench's non-solid polymer ones