azonenberg changed the topic of ##openfpga to: Open source tools for FPGAs, CPLDs, etc. Silicon RE, bitfile RE, synthesis, place-and-route, and JTAG are all on topic. Channel logs: https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/~h~openfpga
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<lambda>
wtf is wrong with xilinx, the vivado installer download is now at 71GB(!!!), up another 20GB from 2021.1
<lambda>
what is in that thing?!
<lambda>
good thing I have a decent connection, or I'd have to ask them to send my a disk by snail mail
<mwk>
... wow
<mwk>
well, if I had to guess
<mwk>
a good part of it would be million of arm toolchains and tons of shoveled IPs
<mwk>
(and probably someone's home directory included by accident)
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<lambda>
yeah, I'm gonna count the *-gcc binaries in there once it's finished downloading
<tnt>
lambda: wait for the installed size ...
<tpw_rules>
at least they have that option to deduplicate the files, but it only applies after they are installed...
<tpw_rules>
deduplicating between installations works well too
<tnt>
Really ? How so ?
<tnt>
Oh wow yeah, I have plenty of files with > 1 hard link. I had no idea it did that.
<lambda>
of course they also ship the entire 72GB installer in a single .tar.gz, which takes absolute ages to decompress
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<sorear>
i think this might be a case where using any other compression format is justified
<implr>
pretty sure that if you use the online installer it downloads smaller lzma'd parts
<sorear>
if they're much smaller that may defeat the advantage
<lambda>
it's completely useless, too, it uncompresses to 72.8GB because 71.3 of those are .xz files
<sauce>
wow distributing a solid archive at that size is a bit brutal
<implr>
but when you select that you only want a partial install (eg no ultrascale support, or no arm-whatever toolchain) in the online one, it doesn't download those xzs at all?
<implr>
or at least that's what i observed last time
<tpw_rules>
yeah the .tar.gz is just all the .xz files the online installer would have downloaded if you selected all the options. but at least on my computer somehow the online installer can use 800% cpu downloading at 10MB/s and it was faster for me to download the whole thing and extract it
<lambda>
alright, so the final installed thing is ~5GB of various toolchains/compilers/runtimes, ~5GB of IP cores, and 30+GB of timing data
<lambda>
all in all, mostly device data.
<mxshift>
that's lines up with last time I looked. They have huge timing files for each device
<lambda>
tbf symbiflow isn't much better in that regard
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