05:10 <greenfork> I'm having an issue to apply a float rule when specifying both title and app-id, do I do something wrong? https://paste.sr.ht/~greenfork/e9cb941e32c343c409644cff66e612825bee49f7

08:15 <ifreund> greenfork: perhaps whatever program that is doesn't set the app-id/title until after the window has already been created.

08:16 <ifreund> if that's the case there's not a whole lot river can do, you could try to figure what the app-id and title are when the window is created I guess

08:17 <ifreund> I wonder if river applying float rules on app-id/title change as well as window creation would be a good idea or not. it might fix this case but break others

11:09 <tiosgz> i've mentioned swapping rule-{add,del} args order before

11:09 <tiosgz> what do you all think about having rule-add [criteria] action [argument] instead of rule-add action [criteria] [argument]?

11:09 <tiosgz> last time the main blocker for me was it being a breaking change, but now i realised these commands have been introduced /after/ last release, so ig it shouldn't be such an issue

11:09 <tiosgz> and having action and argument together seems more intuitive to me (esp when it seems boolean/binary rules will soon be the less common case)

12:12 <greenfork> ifreund: I see, thanks, I'll try to find out the title if it is changed after the window creation, the app-id alone works fine

13:33 <leon-p> greenfork: you can use lswt for that. on master branch there is the "-w" option to watch for changes

14:09 <maxxv> So that's why I can't make firefox "picture-in-picture" window floating - firefox sets the title to "Firefox" and _then_ changes it to "Picture-in-Picture"..

14:12 <tiosgz> an -anytime flag or something along the lines could help this without breaking the other cases?

14:14 <tiosgz> though -watch-changes would be more descriptive

14:34 <leon-p> maxxv: yep. interestingly, for a long time the picture-in-picture mode set the window title before mapping the window so you could float it, but then it changed recently for some unholy reason

16:10 <maxxv> I'm hoping for the future when floating may be controlled by layout generators