01:38 <robertss> I'm a few weeks into using river. I've played around with the configs for river and waybar and nearly have it behaving just like my xmonad configuration. Just a few more tweaks and I might never go back.

01:39 <leon-p> nice!

01:40 <robertss> Best surprise for me was the foot terminal. I like it better than the urxvt that I was using.

01:40 <leon-p> I totally missed how river grew popular, surprised me a bit to suddenly see it pop up in so many spaces

01:40 <leon-p> yeah, foot is great

01:42 <robertss> I'd looked briefly at sway and vivarium. I was curious about Hyprland but I couldn't compile it on my Void laptop. River seems to be fitting my needs.

18:53 <JustineSmithies> I've a question about tags and dual screens. I get that an output can have 32 tags but most folk use 9 and you can then have the rest as scratchpads for example. But if I connect another screen do both screens then get 32 tags each or is that dived by the number of outputs ( screens ) ?

18:58 <RZ_MJ[m]> Both get 32 Tags. Tags are orthogonal to outputs. Changing the tags of a view (aka window) doesn't change the output it is on. Moving a view to a different output doesn't change the tags it has.

19:01 <JustineSmithies> Ok thanks for that explanation. It'll take a minute to get my head around tags as

19:01 <JustineSmithies> i've always been used to workspaces on Qtile or Sway

19:02 <ifreund> Having a shared set of tags across all outputs would make some things nicer but would also cause issues with windows being assigned to multiple tags at once

19:04 <ifreund> having a wayland client rendering on two outputs at the same time is possible, but the window would have to be the same size on both

19:04 <ifreund> which kinda breaks tiling

19:04 <RZ_MJ[m]> I like the way it is. To me outputs and tags (or workspaces) are fundamentally distinct things and I never liked how sway and others have an implicit interaction between the concepts.

19:06 <JustineSmithies> Hey sorry if I've been misunderstood ? I'm not complaining or wanting changes, I am just trying to work out in my head how this will work for me know and what advantages tags could have for me on my dual screen setup.

19:08 <JustineSmithies> At present I'm dailying Sway on my main and expereimenting with River on a test laptop until I feel I'm comfortable enough to jump ship. I am really liking the features of River and hope I can make it my new DM.

19:10 <ifreund> oh no worries, I'm the one who wants to try out shared tags across outputs at some point xD

19:11 <ifreund> I don't really use the feature of assigning multiple tags to a window, I just leave windows on the tags I expect them to be on and focus multiple tags at once

19:13 <JustineSmithies> My wishlist so far would be to see rules for matching app_id or titles and carrying out an action say to move to a tag and or output. Also a riverctl spawn blahblah -tag 2 -output HDMI-1-A for example

19:15 <JustineSmithies> Also a hooks kind of system whereby you could say on a new window opening spawn a script and the same for on window close . I'm sure there could be plenty more too ;)

19:15 <JustineSmithies> Anyway I'm running before I can walk so I'll shut up for now.

19:15 <RZ_MJ[m]> "Advantages for dual screen" are probably a personal taste thing. I'd argue rivers system has 2 advantages: First there are n tags per output instead of just n in total (n being the amount of tags you have keymappings for). More is always better, right? ;) And second moving between outputs and moving between tags are separate things. In sway I'd double check "Wait, what output did I move this to implicitly by moving it to workspace 7?" But

19:15 <RZ_MJ[m]> people used to sway/qtile/... could probably explain why their approach has advantages from their pov.

19:16 <JustineSmithies> Good point RZ_MJ[m]

19:25 <JustineSmithies> Is there a way in river to query the xkb current layout? In sway I could swaymsg -t get_inputs | jq '.[0].xkb_active_layout_name'

19:27 <ifreund> nope, not yet

19:28 <JustineSmithies> np

20:18 <JustineSmithies> Is there another release out soon? Only reason I ask is that I see there has been a lot of progress since Feb 10th. I'm using void but I'm capabale of make a river-dev template that pulls the latest commit instead of the current release.

20:19 <JustineSmithies> Just so I can explore the latest ;)

20:46 <ifreund> JustineSmithies: The best estimate I can give for 0.3.0 is sometime in August

20:46 <ifreund> there's certainly been a lot of progress on master branch but it also has a lot more bugs than 0.2.4 currently so be warned if you do choose to check it out :)