00:36 <ifreund> NickH: No concrete plans, I don't think river will be ready for an 0.3.0 release before Zig 0.11.0 releases so I'll probably switch river master branch over to zig 0.11.0 shortly after the Zig release

00:36 <ifreund> I could do an 0.2.5 point release that's compatible with Zig 0.11 if needed

01:11 <MayNoi> Hi! Does anyone have any good Eww module for River tags (presumably using ristate)?

02:47 <LemanR> hey awesome river team commune. Any resource on getting monad three column layout as seen on https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.17.1/docs/XMonad-Layout-ThreeColumns.html

02:48 <LemanR> it's my favorite. I did a quick glance at the docs but didn't see it (went to doc/river riverctl & rivertile. I just ctrl + find the pages though so maybe I missed something.

03:05 <LemanR> taking closer look at rivertile, guess the solution would be there if anywhere.

03:09 <LemanR> "-main-location [top|bottom|left|right] Set the initial location of the main area in the layout. (Default: left)" think there is a way to have the main area in the "middle"

03:09 <LemanR> *indirect way

03:12 <RZ_MJ[m]> LemanR: You could recreate it with https://github.com/MaxVerevkin/river-luatile

03:13 <RZ_MJ[m]> It is not possible with rivertile though.

03:26 <LemanR> RZ_MJ[m] Thanks i'll check this out.

03:26 <Nosrep> wish waymonad was still alive. oh well

03:28 <LemanR> :( wish there is a EWWM in our future.

03:28 <LemanR> (EXWM...but wayland)

03:33 <LemanR> looks like river-luatile is my kinda program......(a simple program :p )

22:29 <NickH> ifreund: I see. My concern is that 0.11.0 won't be able to bootstrap itself. This complicates packaging zig. I guess I'd need keep a "legacy" zig package at 0.10.1 to build zig 0.11.0.

22:31 <ifreund> NickH: 0.11.0 will be able to bootstrap itself on all targets where 0.10.1 can

22:32 <NickH> ifreund: that's excellent news.

22:32 <ifreund> the only difference is that it uses a wasm blob so it's not strictly from source

22:32 <NickH> Ahh, that means... it can't :-(

22:32 <NickH> No binary blobs for main Debian.

22:33 <ifreund> what do they do for e.g. haskell?

22:33 <NickH> I don't know.

22:33 <ifreund> or ocaml?

22:35 <ifreund> guix has this monstrosity for haskell apparently: https://github.com/guix-mirror/guix/blob/master/gnu/packages/haskell.scm

22:36 <ifreund> which requries lisp which is another 1500 lines: https://github.com/guix-mirror/guix/blob/master/gnu/packages/lisp.scm

22:37 <NickH> Think I'll lurk in #debian-haskell

22:37 <ifreund> really I don't think having bootstrap chains like this make any practical difference over a small, target-agnostic binary blob maintained by upstream

22:38 <NickH> Makes a massive practical difference for being able to find a Debian Developer willing to sposor it.

22:41 <ifreund> well, to get from the newest zig commit with a C++ compiler to the current tip of master takes 19 hops it seems

22:41 <ifreund> git log --oneline stage1/zig1.wasm | wc -l

22:42 <ifreund> probably fairly easy to write a script that does that

22:43 <ifreund> I expect that there will be a third party Zig compiler in C or something similarly bootstrappable at some point after an actual language spec exists

22:44 <ifreund> maybe now is not yet the time to get zig into debian stable

23:02 <leon-p> maybe someone wants to write a gcc frontend. gzz?

23:04 <leon-p> would be interesting to compare that to the reference compiler w.r.t. optimisations