05:06 <leon-p> I think another reason why the zig versions of things tend to have fewer dependencies is that there is no package manager yet. Git submodules aren't ideal and there is no official list of packages anywhere either. So you have to do it like in C: either link a common system lib, or just do it yourself.

06:50 <nor[m]> Is there a way to set a default size for new floating views? Apparently not directly with riverctl, but maybe with an external script?

08:26 <novakane> nor[m]: nope

08:26 <novakane> unless the client can do it, like foot

11:46 <tiosgz> oops, i now see that i forgot to update a commit message in #611 :(. thankfully it's vague enough to be applied to the new version

11:47 <tiosgz> anyway, thanks for merging, ifreund!

12:15 <ifreund> thanks for the patch!

14:14 <mizzunet> thanks for this awesome wm!

14:27 <ifreund> :)

15:25 <elshize> ifreund: re what we discussed yesterday: I've been going trough ziglings, learning some zig, and the differences between zig and rust feel similar to differences between c and c++.

15:27 <elshize> definitely an interesting language, I'll keep playing with it.

15:28 <elshize> one thing I wish they did the rust way is immutable pointers by default, and explicit `mut` as opposed to explicit `const`

15:32 <leon-p> just reduce the amount of vars, then it isn't really an issue :)

15:33 <leon-p> if the variable isn't mutable in the first place, it doesn't matter how it's passed to functions

15:39 <ifreund> elshize: I think that analogy is decent, but not perfect. Zig's meta programming exceeds that of both C++ and Rust in some ways for example

15:40 <elshize> leon-p: yes, I suppose you're right. there is a var/const distinction when defining, which is perhaps more important.

15:41 <elshize> ifreund: yes, I haven't gotten into meta programming yet :D but what I mean very low level vs. high abstraction.

15:42 <ifreund> yeah with regards to language complexity and inherrent encouragement of abstraction I think that analogy is very fitting :)

15:43 <ifreund> Little know fact, zig used to have let/let mut instead of const/var as well as pointer types closer to what rust has

15:43 <ifreund> that was before 0.1.0 though afaik

15:43 <elshize> interesting

15:45 <ifreund> Having written quite a lot of Zig, it's not something that I think needs changing at this point. The default hasn't caused any bugs in my code that I'm aware of and is far less visually noisy in practice

15:59 <elshize> makes sense

16:27 <snakedye> I think 85% of why people use more crates is because cargo/rust makes it really easy to publish good ones. Most crates have good documentations, are easy to use and you besides a few exceptions you can be reasonably sure they won't blow up in your face. 5% is that rust has a smaller std so people are more likely to use solutions from the community.