cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: #pypy PyPy, the flexible snake https://pypy.org | IRC logs: https://quodlibet.duckdns.org/irc/pypy/latest.log.html#irc-end and https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/pypy | the pypy angle is to shrug and copy the implementation of CPython as closely as possible, and staying out of design decisions
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<cfbolz> ronny: there are not really any tools but one of the ways that we have made the tracing jit faster is indeed to make it use way less memory
<fijal> it's not exactly trivial to do though
<cfbolz> yeah, it's a complete refactoring of everything
<fijal> you mean a specific one or a more general theme?
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<cfbolz> fijal: in general
<cfbolz> fijal: if you want to use the "struct of arrays" pattern you suddenly need to think about lifetimes of your objects, which is just a mess
<antocuni> ronan: I'd like to have a link to that talk
<cfbolz> antocuni: this one probably: https://vimeo.com/649009599
<antocuni> thanks!
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<sthalik> hey. a compiler question: do you try to prove that locals() isn't used? if so, is it easy, or as hard as Scheme code that provably doesn't use call/cc?
<sthalik> (because you can assign locals() or call/cc to another variable or use eval(), etc)
<cfbolz> sthalik: we don't try to prove that, no. if you use it, we deoptimize
<sthalik> so you fall back to an unoptimized version?
<cfbolz> no, we fall back to the interpreter
<sthalik> this is very smart and clever and interesting
<sthalik> not something I can help with or improve, sadly
<cfbolz> it's kind of the JIT approach to things, you can always go back to the interpreter if the program does something too weird
<cfbolz> sthalik: why are you interested in locals() in particular?
<sthalik> cfbolz, I wonder how you do things in compilers like this where very little is static
<sthalik> but no, me asking the question won't help the project
<sthalik> also, I can run the buildbot again (any arch) if you so wish
<cfbolz> sthalik: asking questions is always fine :-)
<sthalik> cfbolz, :-)
* sthalik gonna benchmark https://github.com/pasky/michi
<sthalik> (1200 lines almost beats gnugo on a large board)
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