09:19 <Hodgestar> mattip: Reading the BPO issue, it doesn't seem like CPython really made an explicit decision about the change in the __builtins__ semantics at all, beyond noting that there were changes and the behaviour was complicated. I think asking for the situation to be clarified is a good idea.

09:19 <Hodgestar> mattip: I don't think PyPy should rush to do anything specific beyond "making stuff work for people".

09:24 <mattip> there is a failing lib-python test on the py3.10 branch. I don't know whether to mark it "cpython-only " or to fix PyPY

11:58 <lessshaste> mattip, sadly I am a pip only person

12:00 <mattip> lesshaste: then please ask on the scipy issue tracker that they release wheels for PyPy

12:00 <mattip> so far there has not been much desire to do that, so you personally have to compile from source

12:00 <mattip> but maybe if people started asking for it, they would reconsider

15:36 <Dejan> lessshaste, I wish some of my colleagues are like you :)

16:41 <lesshaste> Dejan, go on??

16:42 <Dejan> (reaction to the "I am a pip only person")

16:42 <lesshaste> mattip, ah ok. How would I argue that this would be a good thing for them?

16:43 <lesshaste> mattip, I noticed https://github.com/MacPython/scipy-wheels

16:43 <mattip> you are a scipy user who also uses pypy, and would like a wheel

16:43 <lesshaste> Dejan, ah :)

16:44 <mattip> scipy-wheels should be archived, they now use cibuildwheel to build wheels

16:45 <lesshaste> mattip, sorry do you mean it's all out of date?

16:45 <mattip> I mean it is no longer used at all. This issue should be migrated to scipy/scipy

16:45 <mattip> https://github.com/MacPython/scipy-wheels/issues/87

16:47 <lesshaste> mattip, thanks. I also found https://github.com/scipy/scipy/issues/17508

16:48 <lesshaste> how about https://github.com/antocuni/pypy-wheels ?

16:49 <lesshaste> it looks slightly out of date now sadly

16:55 <mattip> right, that repo also should be archived

19:04 <arigato> cfbolz: sorry, I'm only checking this channel from time to time and I notice now you said PyPy was turning 20 years old! great