17:49 <pablo_escoberg> Hi all.  Is there any way to refer to a relation's value from within a method of the relation? There doesn't seem to be any reference in `This` to the parent entity (just the parent class, which is not what I need).

17:50 <abu[7]> Hi pablo_escoberg

17:50 <abu[7]> There is Obj and there is Var

17:51 <abu[7]> so you can easily access the value

17:51 <abu[7]> (get Obj Var)

17:51 <abu[7]> (dm rel> (Obj Old New Hook)

17:51 <pablo_escoberg> but how do I access Obj and Var?

17:51 <pablo_escoberg> they both evaluate to NIL in the object method

17:52 <abu[7]> Can't be, the whole operation is based on them

17:52 <abu[7]> (pp 'rel> '+Key)

17:52 <abu[7]> (vi 'rel> '+Key)

17:54 <abu[7]> You know that the relations are objects completely different from the entities

17:55 <pablo_escoberg> yes, but I'm wondering if there is a way to refer to the parent entity from a method of the relation.

17:56 <abu[7]> There is no "parent"

17:56 <abu[7]> One relation object manages *all* entities for that relation

17:57 <pablo_escoberg> Ah, ok.  So the only way to get the value associated with the relation in a particular entity is through the entity itself, and methods of various relations have no reference to the entity.

17:58 <abu[7]> Exactly

17:58 <pablo_escoberg> ok, cool.  TY