04:53 <razzy> Regenaxer: nice :], I did not felt need yet :]

06:46 <Hunar> Good morning :)   .. I have a question about this sentence on the PilOS operating system page  (It can boot from a device like an USB-Stick, and also uses only that stick's flash memory for mass storage) how does it use the flash memory as storage? because as far as I know (dd if=image of=drive) will occupy the whole drive without leaving any

06:46 <Hunar> space

06:48 <Regenaxer> Good morning Hunar!

06:49 <Regenaxer> Not sure, who wrote that? I don't remember

06:49 <Hunar> https://picolisp.com/wiki/?PilOS .. I dont know

06:49 <Regenaxer> hmm

06:49 <Hunar> So is there a way to transfer files to the operating system?

06:50 <Regenaxer> IIRC it worked :)

06:50 <Regenaxer> Try it!

06:50 <Regenaxer> It worked good in Qemu

06:50 <Regenaxer> Also on my Acer noteboo

06:50 <Regenaxer> And it did not touvh the internal HD

06:51 <Hunar> (it worked) which part do you mean :)  the usb storage?

06:52 <Regenaxer> all

06:52 <Regenaxer> Try it

06:54 <Regenaxer> Sorry, but in the morning I'm always in a hurry. I can't start digging in old stuff :)

06:55 <Hunar> I tried it yesterday, first I had a problem because my laptop's keyboard is broken I use a bluetooth keyboard (Which is the worst thing ever, at least buy a dongle) then brought a wired external keyboard which didn't work, pressing any key would either print 2 or 3 unprintable characters or print the letter surrounded by unprintable characters.. so

06:55 <Hunar> I used qemu again .. but the storage I'm not understanding, how can I transfer files to the usb if I burned the image into it?

06:58 <Hunar> The OS works, I dont have problems with that.. I'm just confused about the storage, wouldn't (dd if=image of=drive) make the flash drive read only?

06:58 <Regenaxer> I don't remember. But it created a kind of file system using the Pil DB, so it worked

06:59 <Regenaxer> flash read only depends on how you mount it

06:59 <Regenaxer> PilOS does not mount, it is already open

07:00 <Regenaxer> (dd if=image of=drive) is when *creating* the stick

07:00 <Hunar> I'll try it again then :) when I get home .. thanks

07:01 <Regenaxer> Good to know that there is hardware still around that has a more or less standard BIOS

07:02 <Regenaxer> PilOS uses the BIOS, but most machines don't support many BIOS features any longer

07:02 <Hunar> T

07:03 <Hunar> my computer is old and is falling apart, I keep telling myself don't spend money when this still works

07:03 <Regenaxer> :)

07:47 <aw-> Hunar: i can recommend a "cheap" $50 arm64 SBC for general computing

07:47 <aw-> you'll need to fight with it a bit, but it's more than enough for hacking around on Linux things, picolisp, etc

07:48 <aw-> it's a relatively inexpensive way to get a "new computer"

08:19 <Hunar> Thanks aw- :)  I'll try if I could find it in my city,  I once wanted a raspberry pi but I could only find expensive ones

09:38 <aw-> yeahhh raspberry pi are so expensive

09:43 <Nistur> Which is a shame, because I have about 8 projects that could do with more pi

10:29 <alexshendi> I don't get what people find so exciting about these thingies (Raspberry Pis). You may now ban me from this channel.

10:30 <alexshendi> Apple pie has more computing power.

10:31 <beneroth> alexshendi, why ban? plz stay

10:32 <beneroth> alexshendi, I guess, maybe the lack of computing power is a feature.. no spectre & co

10:32 <alexshendi> beneroth: Cancel Culture!

10:34 <beneroth> in which community did you hang around, dear alexshendi ? :D

10:35 <beneroth> I'd like to keep the old hacker IRC culture here.. if something is shit, call it so, and nobody cares who is a dog

10:35 <beneroth> we can always call it a safe space for autistic folks

10:36 <beneroth> alexshendi, I would think raspberry might be easier approachable for people who are not into electronics? I guess it's easier for you to get to interesting hardware or handle it?

11:56 <Regenaxer> yes, alexshendi, surely stay!!

12:18 <Nistur> I don't use the power of most modern machines, so I like the small form factor, and flexibility of the raspberry pi

12:19 <Nistur> I have a few things built on random pis, and my PC setup (although it's not set up like this right now) is built on... 4(ish) of the things... which, while I could do it with multiple full size PCs is somewhat overkill for what I need, and I couldn't really do it with one PC

12:22 <Nistur> oh, and I have a pi running one of my 3D printers

12:22 <Nistur> again, I _could_ use a full PC for that, but it's overkill for what I need

12:24 <Nistur> so yeah, the reason I love SBCs in general, and specifically the Raspberry Pi, is that I have a _lot_ of relatively low power use cases, and they make it very easy to set them up

12:25 <aw-> Nistur: octoprint?

12:28 <Nistur> aw-: indeedly doo

12:28 <Nistur> I don't have anything similar on my resin printer :(

12:29 <Nistur> although, I can maaaaaaybe do this: https://l9o.dev/posts/controlling-an-elegoo-mars-pro-remotely/

12:32 <Nistur> my main problem with that is, it's using a Pi0W, in USB gadget mode to emulate the USB drive plugged into the printer, meaning it's wifi only. I currently don't have wifi in my shed, so I would _ideally_ want an ethernet port

12:51 <aw-> oh yeah when I had my office/lab/shed built i made sure they wired some fiber optics to the house haha

12:51 <aw-> so i've got a tiny wifi AP in there now

12:52 <aw-> fiber is "safe" outdoors, and you can wire it a really long distance

12:52 <aw-> Nistur: i'm also running octoprint but on a rock64.. works fine

12:59 <Nistur> my shed isn't that far away

12:59 <Nistur> so I just have shielded ethernet going down to it

12:59 <Nistur> I should get a wireless AP in there too

13:00 <Nistur> but I'd prefer to have any machines wired if possible

13:00 <aw-> +1 wired

13:01 <aw-> i only use wifi for the mobile devices haha

13:01 <aw-> shielded ethernet running outside the house?

13:02 <Nistur> the weatherproof stuff

13:02 <Nistur> big thick black coating, rather than the relatively thin grey stuff

13:02 <Nistur> not shielded, sorry

13:03 <aw-> oh ok

13:03 <aw-> as long as it's not a lightning conductor ;)

13:05 <aw-> maybe safer to pass it through some PVC tubing as well.. protect it from animals who could chew through it

13:07 <aw-> or maybe some flexible corrugated tubing, that stuff is awesome

13:37 <Nistur> I have some of it at floor level, which is in PVC tubing, but it's also partially raised on the fence, and it's not in tubing there...

13:40 <aw-> ok!

13:40 <aw-> hey did you finish your penti yet?

13:40 <aw-> penti/chorded kb?

13:41 <Nistur> yes and no. I am going to have to ponder some modifications to it

13:41 <Nistur> MiniNisturette pulled off one of the wires, so I have to re-solder it, but that's not a big issue

13:42 <Nistur> the bigger issue is, it works if I have it where I designed it, which is sitting next to me at seat height. I designed it thinking I'd use it while sitting on the bed, with the thing next to me... if I put it on a desk, raised up, then the angle makes it very tiring for my fingers to actually type on

13:44 <Nistur> so yeah, I need to decide what to do about that

14:03 <aw-> oh i see.. so possibly a redesign

14:03 <aw-> maybe you can just print a support plate with legs

14:04 <aw-> so change the angle

14:04 <beneroth> good point

14:04 <beneroth> configuration

14:04 <aw-> or a kind of "holder" where you can rest your arm and hold the kb with minimal effort

19:36 <razzy> OT, I have Oauth secured communication with server. I want get http page and submit data by POST method. I am thinking of using curl. Can picolisp handle it better?

19:37 <Regenaxer> I often use curl in such cases too. It is fine I think

19:37 <Regenaxer> PicoLisp is not good at sending POST via HTTPS

19:38 <Regenaxer> (POST is possible via 'client', and GET / HTTPS via @bin/ssl, but for both there is no good way)

19:52 <razzy> thank you.