<olaf_h>
hi all, last time i told completely rubbish here proposing (cut 2 (list (foo returns list))). Completely false!
<olaf_h>
(head 2 (foo returns list)) would be correct, i think.
<olaf_h>
thanks for pointing to that yesterday in PilCon!
<Regenaxer>
Thanks too!
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<Regenaxer>
Gender discussion with my daughter. In Germany there are activities to replace "Studenten und Studentinnen" with "Student*innen".
<Regenaxer>
I don't like it, and proposed Student*n
<Regenaxer>
sounds logical to me
<Regenaxer>
Wildcards
<Regenaxer>
Is that too foreign for non-shell-users?
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<olaf_h>
Regenaxer: i think it's too 'regex :-)
<Regenaxer>
hehe :)
<Regenaxer>
Student.*n
<Regenaxer>
hmm
<Regenaxer>
Student[e|inne]n
<olaf_h>
people discussing that topic don't care so much about logic, i think
<Regenaxer>
Japanese are more clever. There is no gender in the lang at all
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<olaf_h>
yes, StudentInnen with upper I is another writing i think (they call it 'binnen-I' ?)
<Regenaxer>
also no plural
<Regenaxer>
Yes, binnenI
<Regenaxer>
but that's worse. Only the female form remains
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<olaf_h>
ProfX did'nt made it, that was another try in that topic, i think
<Regenaxer>
It is discrimination for males
<Regenaxer>
ok, I stay with regex pattern then
<olaf_h>
:-)
<Regenaxer>
The discussion is because of the Sushi page
<Regenaxer>
so not completely off~topic here
<olaf_h>
in speaches and writings i like the 'old school' Dear Studentinnen and Studenten (female and male form)
<Regenaxer>
yes, that's ok
<olaf_h>
on the sushi page it may be *very important* if the customers are caring about that topic
<Regenaxer>
Not sure
<olaf_h>
so in the end: two sushi pages, one with gender* and one without - no problem in picolisp at all? Another variant of the localization mechanism ?
<Regenaxer>
haha, true
<olaf_h>
and landing page only has two buttons: "Course for Student*innen" and "Course for Studentinnen and Studenten"
<Regenaxer>
First ask Facebook and Google to find out the gender of a user
<olaf_h>
and after that they are in the wording they like
<olaf_h>
sure - i forgot that, of course :-)
<Regenaxer>
On the page there is only Teilnehmer*
<olaf_h>
second field with *pointer* (:-) ) to same '*Var and label Teilnehmer*in - then see, which field is filled in .... :-) ... just trying to joke a bit
<Regenaxer>
:)
<olaf_h>
but of course the facebook/google idea is better: ask customer to login with google/facebook account - then see, if gender is topic in it's stream - then set the '*GenderSternchen Var :-)
<olaf_h>
:-) afk
<Regenaxer>
Facebook also knows the political orientation
<Regenaxer>
So left people prefer gender notation
<mtsd>
Hello everyone
<Regenaxer>
Hi mtsd!
<mtsd>
Hi Regenaxer!
<mtsd>
I was able to attend the last few minutes of Pilcon
<mtsd>
Just listening in a little
<Regenaxer>
yes, I saw you!
<mtsd>
Seemed like a good discussion
<Regenaxer>
yep
<olaf_h>
hi mtsd, nice to see you. yesterday, an hour before PilCon or so, there was a microTimeslot where we saw us, too :-) checking the pilcon jitsi stuff
<olaf_h>
just a second or so before closing down the laptop screen
<mtsd>
Yes, I wanted to check if things worked. was surprised to see someone else there, haha
<olaf_h>
:)
<olaf_h>
same to me
<mtsd>
I thought you were in some discussion, did not wish to interrupt. But it was nice to see you :)
<Nistur>
o7
<Nistur>
I miss lisping :'(
<Nistur>
I'm hoping to start a project soon that I can use pil for
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<Nistur>
unfortunately because of how I've printed it, there are several printing defects, most notably the bottom section under... I guess the F11 key on there. This is still a prototype, so I'd hoped to not finish and paint this, but leave it as bare plastic, and just use it for a bit before I make final changes and re-print... but I've slathered it in filler and I'll sand it and prime it tonight
<Nistur>
probably paint it matt black, and then put a satin clearcoat over it... purely because those are cans of paint I have on my shelf... I have more, but I think that'll be a 'good' finish
<Nistur>
Regenaxer: offer's still open if you want one printing ;)
<Regenaxer>
Thanks a lot! :) Not necessary at the moment
<Nistur>
I'm hoping to get a resin printer too in a month and a half, and I'll print the keycaps on that :P For now, I'm just going to be using ones stolen from my daily driver keyboard
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<olaf_h>
Nistur: looks great, can't wait for a picture with all keys in it :-) color is pretty great. special things -> special color :-)
<Nistur>
olaf_h: it was just the plastic I had in the printer at the time. I was planning on making it black when I paint it... but if you say so... maybe I'll pick another random colour from my shelf :P I'll see what I have
<Nistur>
I might have a red, but I think the only spray can I have is gloss, which is not really ideal for this, I think
<olaf_h>
but how will one use it? my hand only has 4 fingers and a thumb (lucky as i am), but there are 6 keys ....
<olaf_h>
anthrazit of course would send out coolness and understatement :-)
<olaf_h>
i see (trying to press the keys on a 15years old leather case of a palm t|x)
<Regenaxer>
:)
<olaf_h>
ah ok, but tablet surface is flat and mouse shape surface looks curved and hand above mouse might not really do tipping/typing but more kind of grasping/grabbing ..... anyway, practice first: i'm very interested in getting news about this :-)
<Nistur>
yeah, my intention was to make an ergonomic version that I could use with my hand in a more natural position
<Regenaxer>
btw, in Penti there is also a repeat of the last two and the last three keys
<Regenaxer>
with arpeggios
<Nistur>
Regenaxer: there's still about 50% of the keymap I haven't done... in part because some of the functions I think might be impossible with USB HID
<Regenaxer>
You implement a key-event interface?
<Regenaxer>
I use characters
<olaf_h>
<mtsd> I thought you were in some discussion, did not wish to interrupt. But it was nice to see you :) <-- was discussion of my 2 egos, one from the pc the other from the mobile nearbei, hopefully 'we' were not using rude words :-)
<Nistur>
Ummmmm, it's basically an arduino, which pretends to be a keyboard
<Nistur>
I'm not sure what I can do with some of them, like copy and paste... I could just send Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V, but as I use emacs, that isn't really correct
<Regenaxer>
yeah
<Nistur>
I think also, because it's emulating a keyboard, I'm stuck with one keymap... so there were some characters I couldn't type
<Nistur>
I can't remember which, I'd have to check
<Regenaxer>
key combinations?
<Nistur>
but say, n-tilde and j-caret might not be on the same keymap
<Regenaxer>
I see. In any case, the advantage of such a hardware is that it works with existing computers directly
<Nistur>
the keyboard just sends scancodes, which the OS translates based on the selected keymap, whether that's UK QWERTY or US QWERTY or DE QWERTZ etc
<Nistur>
yup
<Regenaxer>
yes, thought so
<Nistur>
I think I can get _most_ of the keys working
<Regenaxer>
The whole keyboard issue is a mess
<Nistur>
oh, I also haven't added a screen yet. I did start with that on my prototype board, but I decided I just wanted a keyboard working first
<Regenaxer>
Too bad that there is not a user-land keyboard possible as is on Android
<Nistur>
it wouldn't be too hard to implement in Linux
<Nistur>
just, not using USB HID
<Nistur>
but that would require software on the host machine
<Regenaxer>
I thought there is no way
<Regenaxer>
needs a driver I thought
<Nistur>
yeah
<Regenaxer>
So I'm using my phone as a keyboard for my desktop too
<Regenaxer>
using xdotool
<Nistur>
it would need a driver, but I did have a look into it previously (albeit for a slightly different project idea) and it doesn't look _too_ difficult
<Regenaxer>
I wrote a driver on my notebook
<Regenaxer>
evdev.c iirc
<Regenaxer>
But it is tedious
<Regenaxer>
It was before I wrote the Android app
<Nistur>
I think I was looking at uevent
<Nistur>
oh, I remember what it was
<Nistur>
... now I just have to remember what the project was called