00:08 <midfavila> sitting in a conference with the tech committee from my local bike cooperative

00:08 <midfavila> they spent 20k on commissioning some dude to write a webapp that runs in node inside docker that just provides a menu-based interface to a database

00:08 <midfavila> and its not even going to be accessed remotely

00:08 <midfavila> im screaming rn

00:09 <midfavila> i could write that in a couple weekends in shell and curses and awk with like some teeny sql backend

00:09 <midfavila> and theyre using like seven different languages for this

00:12 <midfavila> like... come on...

04:03 <riteo> The modern "Web" is just pain

04:04 <riteo> I had to ask for a passport renewal recently and the italian website for doing that is the dumbest thing ever, yet it has god-knows how many layers of JS on top

04:04 <riteo> it's the slowest thing ever and I kid you not, it regularly kept telling me "unexpected error" in a popup

04:04 <riteo> how hard is it to make a form ffs

04:06 <riteo> The funny thing is that the "Web" as a concept it's not that bad per-se. A proper HTML document goes long ways and I'm quite sure that nobody foresaw JS being used for backends

05:08 <sad_plan> why make things simple when you can overcomplicate something to a whole new level? lol.

18:26 <sad_plan> when writing Makefiles, does using ${var} as opposed to $(var) make any difference? or is this just a style thing? I noticed I used curly braces on mine, whereas others I just peaked at used regular parathases