00:57 <midfavila> bluh

00:57 <midfavila> last few chapters of the little schemer don't fuck around

01:13 <cot> what's your overall impression of the book?

01:15 <midfavila> if you've got zero clue what recursion is and you want a really smooth exploration of it and its implications, it's really good for that up until about chapter eight

01:15 <midfavila> which is when it smacks you with continuation-passing style

01:15 <midfavila> it then follows this up with an exploration of things like the halting problem and combinators, before finishing with (from a brief skim) what appears to be an interpreter

01:16 <midfavila> i'll probably skip the bit about CPS and come back to it later because it's a bit wrinkly-brained for me rn

01:16 <midfavila> it's also a decent way to start learning scheme and lisp as a whole ig

01:23 <midfavila> looking at some advanced material i happen to have on hand, it makes me feel a little better about not quite grokking CPS right away -- it's not mentioned in any of my books except Hanson and Sussman's Software Design for Flexibility, where it's described as "real magic"|

01:23 <midfavila> anyway, not gonna blogpost here

05:31 <testuser[m]> Hi

09:00 <drez> is adding a sort of useflag functionality to a personal fork of kiss package manager a horrible idea?

09:01 <drez> also, hello =) long time no see

09:01 <drez> midfavila: greets, you should visit spyware muc sometime, been there for a couple years now

09:05 <testuser[m]> use flags are garbage

09:05 <drez> testuser[m]: why

11:25 <drez> btw

11:25 <drez> latest wayland rant just dropped

11:25 <drez> and this one is a doozy

11:25 <drez> https://dudemanguy.github.io/blog/posts/2022-06-10-wayland-xorg/wayland-xorg.html

11:58 <illiliti> i mostly agree. in addition, i'd say that wayland has major problems with portability

11:59 <illiliti> wayland devs simply don't care about it. reference implementation excessively uses linux API like epoll, which is why i consider current freebsd support as a joke.

11:59 <drez> https://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/wayland_on_netbsd_trials_and

12:00 <drez> I think how unportable it is, is probably the worst regression wayland has

12:00 <illiliti> yeah, this one

12:03 <illiliti> i'm very frustrated by current state of things with NetBSD and OpenBSD

12:03 <drez> i first tried them in '19

12:03 <drez> seems like hardly anything has changed since then

12:03 <illiliti> i hate the fact that freebsd had to implement shims for linux APIs

12:08 <illiliti> mainly wscons and input stuff for sway

12:08 <illiliti> https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/6921

12:48 <illiliti_> i recall haiku devs also have some good rant towards wayland

12:48 <illiliti_> can't find the link

23:36 <rohan> hey guys

23:36 <drez> hello rohan

23:36 <rohan> someone have trouble building the last firefox version in repo extra?

23:36 <drez> from the famous fictional mangaka from the hit japanese series jojo's bizarre adventure diamond is unbreakable

23:36 <drez> nope, I use werefox

23:38 <rohan> what is that?

23:38 <drez> https://git.nuegia.net/webbrowser.git