04:30 <testuser[m]> Hi

06:32 <noocsharp> hi

11:12 <Guest14> hi

11:20 <Guest14> hardware: intel i5 3330 cpu - hd2500 igpu - 8gb ram - 250gb ssd - 250w psu - alsa(speaker) - dhcpcd(wired-connection) - 4xUSB2.0 ports - VGA monitor(60hz)

11:20 <Guest14> 1. linux or linux-libre and which version?

11:20 <Guest14> 2. compiling with perl installed or patch to do not use perl

11:20 <Guest14> patch -p1 < /usr/share/doc/kiss/wiki/kernel/no-perl.patch

11:20 <Guest14> 3. can i use lz4? if i can use which package i should install because i didnt see it!

11:20 <Guest14> 4. do i need to install python for compiling the kernel?

11:20 <Guest14> 5. how can i make my kernel config that does not have M just yes or no! because i dont want to use initrd

11:20 <Guest14> 6. i want to use efibootmgr just wiki enough or do i need to make more things to make it working!

11:20 <Guest14> 7. update to firefox(there is 100!)

11:23 <Guest14> 8. and i had been using my computer without intel-ucode for a year so i think i dont need it or do i need?

11:37 <soliwilos> Guest14: Selecting kernel drivers/features as modules (m) does not necessarily make you need an initrd. Only if some of those are needed during boot, such as the filesystem driver.

11:38 <Guest14> oh ok

11:38 <Guest14> another questions?

11:38 <soliwilos> There is a lz4 package in community.

11:39 <soliwilos> I don't use efibootmgr, so no suggestions for that.

11:39 <Guest14> ok for my hardware will linux-libre work good

11:39 <Guest14> or not

11:40 <Guest14> and compiling with perl or not

11:40 <soliwilos> About intel-ucode, I think it is mostly recommended to have fixes for cpu bugs.

11:41 <soliwilos> I've not used linux-libre.

11:41 <soliwilos> I guess it might have fewer drivers? Just try it if you want to use it. :)

11:41 <Guest14> ok what about perl and python

11:43 <soliwilos> I use the no-perl patch, but this I think is more of a personal choice if you want to use it or not.

11:43 <phinxy> Firefox depend on perl and python, by the way

11:43 <Guest14> no i know that

11:44 <Guest14> i mean when compiling kernel

11:44 <Guest14> will be good  perl installed on system if i want to compile kernel

11:44 <soliwilos> I'm not sure if I've ever compiled a kernel while not having python installed.

11:45 <Guest14> and do i need python when compiling because there is a video on youtube installing kisslinux

11:45 <Guest14> oh ok thanks and

11:45 <Guest14> lz4 is on community repo right

11:45 <Guest14> but where is what is name of it

11:47 <soliwilos> https://github.com/kiss-community/community/tree/main/community/lz4

11:48 <soliwilos> This, right?

11:48 <Guest14> oh man thanks

11:48 <Guest14> oh btw is there a problem with compiling rust?

11:48 <Guest14> or rust code

11:49 <soliwilos> I haven't updated rust/firefox in a long time.

11:50 <Guest14> how can i merge these repos and make my own

11:50 <Guest14> can i fork 2 of theme and merge?

11:51 <soliwilos> A local kiss repo you mean?

11:51 <Guest14> yes

11:51 <Guest14> and are you using openssl or libressl

11:51 <soliwilos> It's as simple as having a directory on your system with the packages in it, and adding it to KISS_PATH

11:52 <Guest14> no i mean

11:52 <Guest14> i want to make my own github repo and add these

11:52 <Guest14> https://github.com/kiss-community/repo

11:52 <Guest14> https://github.com/kiss-community/community

11:52 <Guest14> after that delete some of packages in there and publish to my github

11:52 <soliwilos> I'm using openssl.

11:56 <soliwilos> Ah, right. I don't use github in that regard.

11:57 <soliwilos> I don't know how you can merge multiple forked repo's there.

12:20 <Guest14> idk too

12:32 <phoebos> Guest14: there's no need to publish duplicated packages

12:32 <phoebos> you could use submodules if you want

12:33 <Guest14> i just want to install only lz4 and base repo

12:33 <Guest14> can i

12:34 <phoebos> sure, you can have anything you want and nothing else

12:35 <Guest14> no i mean how can i do that

12:35 <herrsimon> Hi, are there some regular users here which run kiss with a rather large additional package list (I estimate that I would need to configure, install and maintain hundreds of additional packages)? If so, how much time do you invest to maintain all these packages, i.e. keep them current? I would have no problem investing the initial time to set

12:35 <herrsimon> everything up but am afraid that I would not have the time to monitor all upstream sources for updates and adjust the packages manually, fix dependency problems etc.

12:35 <phoebos> Guest14: I don't really understand what question you're asking

12:36 <Guest14> i mean how can i JUST install lz4 from community repo

12:37 <phoebos> herrsimon: some packages are more annoying to set up, but once you've written the build script updates are usually trivial

12:37 <phoebos> I subscribe to atom feeds for releases and use the kiss-outdated script every so often

12:38 <phoebos> Guest14: clone community, add it to KISS_PATH, kiss b lz4

12:38 <Guest14> hmm i  just dont want all community but ok thanks

12:39 <herrsimon> I agree that most updates should be trivial, but even trivial changes such as bumping a version number takes time and not everything can be automated. To get a bit more specific: Do you think investing an hour once a month suffices?

12:40 <soliwilos> Guest14: If you just want lz4, you could just clone that package.

12:44 <phoebos> herrsimon: to update one average sized package (including making sure it builds) probably takes like 2 minutes

12:46 <phoebos> but I don't set aside one hour specifically to do updates

12:46 <phoebos> give it a try, and if you don't like it that's ok

12:52 <herrsimon> Alright, so interpolating to a few hundred packages that sounds more like half a day for an update session. Simply giving it a try is not possible in my case as just to set everything up requires considerable effort in my case. I will have to think about it, absolutely love the simplicity but it might just be too much of a regular time investment

12:52 <herrsimon> for me. In any case, thanks a lot for the information!

13:32 <soliwilos> herrsimon: For simple packages just bumping the version and building is usually enough.

14:39 <cem> I personally automate most stuff with scripts, so updating a bunch of packages usually takes less than 10 minutes

14:52 <phoebos> herrsimon: you're not gonna have 100 packages all with updates every week

14:53 <phoebos> especially if you use the community repos

15:26 <herrsimon> phoebos: I did not read the webpage properly and didn't know about the community repos (and the nice wiki). Also, I just found out that much work has already been done (in particular by illiliti, hopefully I spelled it correctly) to solve common problems such as removing needless udev or dbus dependencies from core components. So I'll take the

15:26 <herrsimon> plunge this weekend on a spare computer and see how it goes. As many things will be a first timer for me (most prominently compiling a custom kernel, using s6 for init/service supervision, trying to ditch dbus, switching from x11 to wayland and going through countless personal scripts to check if they depend on anything they shouldn't), I guess

15:26 <herrsimon> that it will take some weeks until I can switch to kiss on my work machine, but just thinking about this liberating moment already gives me goosebumps! I'll report back here, thanks again!