00:07 <funcrab> Nuc1eoN, Interesting. It's true that keys can't be used to specify pixels as quickly and seamlessly as a mouse can.

00:08 <funcrab> I hadn't thought of the perspective that it's hard to use the keyboard to check logs when there's a lot of output.

04:22 <Nuc1eoN> Im compiling a lot of packages on a daily basis, so that is why I am missing such a functionality, and often revert back to urxvt for such cases :)

07:38 <dnkl> Nuc1eoN: the major reason is there's hasn't been much interest in it.

07:38 <dnkl> There are technical reasons as well though

07:39 <dnkl> First, the feature was never intended to, or designed for, being a scrollbar

07:40 <dnkl> For example, being a small box that indicates your scrollback position is just its default variant

07:40 <dnkl> It can also be configured to be always at the top, showing a percentage number

07:40 <dnkl> And a couple of other variants

07:41 <dnkl> Furthermore, it doesn't allocate any screen estate, it just renders on top of the grid

07:41 <dnkl> Meaning, you wouldn't be able to scroll by clicking somewhere outside the indicator

07:42 <dnkl> I.e, we _could_ implement "something", but it would be with limitations

07:42 <dnkl> Only usable with the default format of the indicator, and only by dragging it

07:43 <dnkl> And, someone would have to write a non-trivial chunk of code...

07:43 <dnkl> Nuc1eoN: btw, I see you're having fun with tmux and theme.sh...

07:44 <rj1> i really love foot..

08:04 <dnkl> Fwiw, I usually "search" for the prompt, to jump quickly between commands in the scrollback. Obviously doesn't work if your looking at a single large log file...

08:33 <Guest69> Hi

08:36 <Guest69> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/6799467/131117754-19c534ab-def9-4014-be43-2a18479ff437.png

08:36 <Guest69> Is it possible to add internal paddings like here?

08:39 <manio> Guest69: https://codeberg.org/dnkl/foot/src/branch/master/doc/foot.ini.5.scd#L183 ?

08:41 <Guest69> manio: Thanks

17:18 <ksynwa> Had a question related to yambar if that is okay. I am using it with i3wm. Recently updated to 1.8.0 and for some reason the workspace indicator disappeared. From reading the changelog I can't figure out what to do about it.

17:19 <ksynwa> This is the config: https://gitlab.com/kartikynwa/dotty2hotty/-/raw/main/dotfiles/yambar.yml

17:19 <ksynwa> Any idea what I am doing wrong here?

17:21 <ksynwa> Actually nevermind. It seems to be something else. Just occured to me that I should be looking at the logs.

17:23 <ksynwa> This is the error message: err: modules/i3.c:94: workspace reply/event without 'name' and/or 'output', and/or 'focus' properties

17:26 <dnkl> ksynwa: let me take a look at the changes we've done. Could be we've introduced something Sway-only.

17:26 <dnkl> (btw, there's #yambar - granted, a bit empty atm)

17:27 <ksynwa> dnkl: I will join there in case you wanted to post something related to this. I am looking at the code too so if I find something I will post there.

19:51 <Nuc1eoN> dnkl, thanks for the explanation, I imagine it would require some effort yeah, but at least you now have some genuine feedback about it, and that there is a use case for it.

19:51 <Nuc1eoN> dnkl, heh wel well how did you find out about me theme.sh debacle :P

19:52 <Nuc1eoN> https://github.com/lemnos/theme.sh/issues/35

19:52 <Nuc1eoN> https://github.com/romkatv/zsh4humans/issues/203

19:52 <Nuc1eoN> Sadly it won't be fixed, as both develoeprs argue they are doing the right thing :D

19:53 <Nuc1eoN> But the good news is, it only affects konsole, so I do not really care anymore:P

19:53 <Nuc1eoN> (actually it might have implications outside of konsole too though, but thats another story)

19:56 <dnkl> Nuc1eoN: foot was being mentioned there somewhere, and I occasionally look for foot related issues

19:57 <dnkl> fwiw: I'm completely with zsh4h on this one...

19:57 <Nuc1eoN> dnkl, fwiw me too, and I have also expressed that opinion in the theme.sh bug report in the end

19:58 <Nuc1eoN> the z4h guy actually knows his stuff, I mean he is also the author of powershell10k

20:00 <Nuc1eoN> The theme.sh dev took it like a "personal attack" for some reason, but imo the z4h dev was really clear and concise about the whole thing :)

20:01 <Nuc1eoN> He literally wrote z4h is acting "pathological" and "disingenuous" lol

20:01 <dnkl> feels like the theme.sh dev doesn't really understand the issue (or doesn't want to understand)

20:01 <dnkl> he also must not use ssh himself :)

20:01 <dnkl> s/must/can't be/

20:02 <Nuc1eoN> > "You cannot assume that if TMUX is not set, then the TTY is not tmux. You need to ask the TTY by sending it a DA."

20:02 <Nuc1eoN> I absolutely agree with this.

20:03 <dnkl> yup, preferably that, or _at least_ query terminfo. Only relying on env vars is... not good